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=italiansxs Would anyone on this forum like to take 100 different 12 ga shotguns drop a 20 ga shell in and then put in a 12 ga shell and pull the trigger? One incident or even two or three incidents statistically tells you nothing . That's one of the reasons I've never agreed with the conclusions of Sherman Bell's damascus vs. fluid steel testing as it was far too limited(sample size wise)in scope to have any real validity
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Sherman Bell's sample size has been increased exponentially by all of us shooting twist and damascus barrel guns. I haven't read of too many failures, have you?


IMO the main accomplishment made by Mr. Bell was to educate everyone about the need to severely limit pressure when shooting damascus barrelled guns and this to me is probably the primary reason there haven't been a lot of failures. This fact coupled with most prudent shooters recognition that barrel thicknes should be measured prior to using an older gun and that anything resembling a weak spot(occlusion)should be viewed with wariness.
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Originally Posted By: italiansxs
IMO the main accomplishment made by Mr. Bell was to educate everyone about the need to severely limit pressure when shooting damascus barrelled guns and this to me is probably the primary reason there haven't been a lot of failures. This fact coupled with most prudent shooters recognition that barrel thicknes should be measured prior to using an older gun and that anything resembling a weak spot(occlusion)should be viewed with wariness.
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Prior to the work and articles by Sherman Bell far fewer people shot twist and damascus guns. His efforts caused more shooters to try shooting them and in turn created greater demand for and increased the price of composite barreled guns.

He educated us to severely limit pressures? Was that the test and article where he tried to blow up a damascus barrel gun and a fluid steel gun, both Parkers, and reported there was no statistical difference and both types of barrels ruptured around 32,000 psi? whistle

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Ross Seyfried was writing of using Damascus & lauding the use of 7625 powder for low pressure loads at least as far back as the mid to late 1970's. This was I believe much earlier than any of Bell's work. I was already loading & shooting smokeless powder in damascus guns even prior to this in loads in the 7K-8k pressure range, so acquired a small lot of 7625 to try. My first impressions were very favorable but then I carried some loads of it Duck hunting which were taken directly from the still then DuPont handloaders guide in a 7K psi range. They completely let me down in lower 20° temps, so I went back to Green Dot & never looked back.
Bell brought several things to the attention of his readers, BUT, in all honesty I can't think of 1 single thing he actually Discovered, which was not already available to those who had sought it out. Look at the catalogs of makers such as Smith, Baker, Lefever, Parker etc, they all warrented their damascus gunns for use with smokeless loads & these loads weren't the "Super-Low" pressure ones we use today. Of course the guns were new then. Pressure curves have been around showing the similarites between black & smokeless pressures since at least the early 1920s etc, etc.


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