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Redone Lefever Nitro Special By John Gillette This gun was practically trashed from years of use and abuse. However, it had great sentimental value. Now I don't have to put a bag over it when I take it to the trap range. Note the lack of the signature "bull's eyes" seen on the torched guns.  
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Isn't it also fair to say that CCH relies in small part on organic materials (bone and charcoal) that add to appearance but don't necessarily "bake in"?
When CCH fades out I assumed some of the surface material had wiped away, been worked away, been chemically altered by years of oil, or UV had destroyed over time.
I personally like old CCH with blue and grey remaining and with some of the straw and brown gone.
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Here is a 1928 LC with a fair amount of original case and a 1948 recased LC.   And just for grins the fore end iron on an original 1921 Fox XE, 
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Ed....I don't host pictures on the BBS so you will have to find a place to put them on line (plenty of free image hosting sites out there.) and then point to them when posting here.
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Ed I won't argue about case colors fading but I will say this---> I have a lot of L.S. Starret tools in my machine shop. Some of these were my Grandfather's. L.S. Starret case hardend/colored some of their tools like surface gages etc. After over 80 years of daily use by my Grandfather, my Dad, and now me, those colors are still there. They have had sweaty hands, cutting oil, swarf, and you name it on them. At the end of each day they were wiped with a clean rag and put back in the tool chest. Why a gun doesn't keep its colors and my Starret tools do is beyond me. My 1900 Remington has one small speck of its CCH left but you know what? It will stay that way. I kind of like it the way it is.
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Ed I won't argue about case colors fading but I will say this---> I have a lot of L.S. Starret tools in my machine shop. Some of these were my Grandfather's. L.S. Starret case hardend/colored some of their tools like surface gages etc. After over 80 years of daily use by my Grandfather, my Dad, and now me, those colors are still there. They have had sweaty hands, cutting oil, swarf, and you name it on them. At the end of each day they were wiped with a clean rag and put back in the tool chest. Why a gun doesn't keep its colors and my Starret tools do is beyond me. My 1900 Remington has one small speck of its CCH left but you know what? It will stay that way. I kind of like it the way it is. J.R.B.-- The difference between hardening on your Grandad's tools and vintage guns is simple:......your tools are "THRU CASE HARDENED" AND "GUNS ARE NOT THRU HARDENED, ONLY SURFACE HARDENED".........Big difference J.R.B..... Basically, "the longer a piece is left in the furnace at temperature, the deeper the hardening penetration"....Tools are thru hardened usually and are also cased at much higher temperatures. Many tools are "oil quenched" not "water quenched".....BTW..... Best,
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Thanks Doug. Now I know. 
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Mike and Dr Bob,
Now those are nice and correct redone case colors!
However, just as before, no amount of proper examples or arguing are going to change ed's mind, or make him leave everyone at peace.
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Here's a picture of original case colors on a mid-30's vintage Nitro Special.  Sorry that I don't have any better quality pictures but I no longer own this gun. Steve
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drew: actually the colors on that redone nid were closer overall to original than they appear in my picture, which was taken in bright sunlight. I think RevDocDrew pointed out some of the "snake oil" comments/text that Ed embellishes in his various ads, "spot on".......of course he will deny it.....duh.......... Cheers,
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