Nah, frankly I was poking at Geno a little, you read too much into it. So do I remove the auction and start over? Yes seems to be the answer. I am having a hell of a time getting good detail pics, even with my camera on macro...any tips? I did learn about the caliber here, that explains the mint rifle bore...nobody could afford to send a lead message down THAT tube! I'll pull the auction and wait to hear from anyone who can help me be a little more informative about the thing. (That's your cue there, Local Drillings Fanatic) And thanks JC (Al) yes it was not easy...and thanks to those who helped talk me out of the tree.