Recoil Rob, you got me thinking about the old 12ga. bps I already own. It's a 30" full barrel, and I could just cut it down and have tubes installed, problem solved, for about $125, or just get another shorter barrel, although the gun weighs about 8 lbs. Not exactly an ideal backup upland gun. Kind of hard to go from shooting a very svelte 16b Lefever to that. I do shoot it very well though, and it has killed many hundreds of birds, mostly ducks. Hmmm.... maybe time to start lurking on e-bay. Anybody have an extra 12ga. invector (not invector plus) bps barrel with tubes? Or - gasp! - break out the mossy 500 20 ga. I use as my dog training gun. It has 3" chambers and tubes! Now that's slummin'!

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