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Not saying I disagree but I believe an ounce and one half of shot would be considered magnum in a 12 ga. ?
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What's not to love about Magnum?
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My shooting/hunting perceptions and skills have changed dramatically over the years. When I started hunting at age 12 and up to about age 35 (It's embarrassing to write this), I was mostly an unsuccessful sky blaster for waterfowl and a 3 shot no matter what for upland game. Friends an mentors took me under their wings and changed my whole hunting/shooting perspective. One guy took me skeet shooting and after a while had me shooting low gun to simulate hunting conditions. Another friend taught me to call ducks and geese to within easy shooting range and as as result of what those two guy taught me I became a successful hunter and not just a bad shot and bird crippler. They also taught me that 1 1/4 oz. of lead, when lead was legal is more than enough for both ducks and geese. I shoot pheasant, Huns, sharp tail and blue and ruff grouse with 3/4 oz. loads. I spend a lot of time on my pattern board when I'm attempting to evaluate a new load or perfecting an old one. A person can use as much shot and gun that they feel is necessary, but crippling birds at extreme ranges makes no sense to me and in the case of waterfowl, when you learn to call close shots are the norm. Does crippling birds at CLOSE range make more sense? Crippling ducks, or any other gamebird that may be occasionally shot at a longer distance, is not exclusive of short range shooting. SRH
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I respect Bob Brister's "Shotgunning the art and the Science" when it comes to patterning. His chapter on "How good is your duck load?" should answer a lot of statements on this thread. It particularly points to the results of the Nilo test by Winchester in which they shot 2400 live mallards at specific distances with a soope sighted shotgun. If a load can't kill a duck consistently that way--without leading even being required, it is not a good enough load for real world shooting with all the variables which often place the duck in the fringe of the pattern. The results are sobering for sky blasters...
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Snobbery! How an a guy who shoots Nitro Specials and other blue collar guns be a snob? I said that as I grow older and am often unable to walk, I choose my shots carefully. Nine out of ten guys can't handle an ounce of shot well enough inside 40 yards. I like the small gauge guns because I can still carry them. For years (when I was a pretty good shot) I shot a Flues 12 ga. with 7/8 loads and had no trouble within the 40 yards. Please, I have never said that I thought small bores were better than the larger ones. If you get to be 75, you'll know what I meant. I will not shoot a bird unless I am pretty sure to bag it. Chops
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I don't think there's any more snobbery in a small gauge than in sxs guns. 
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I don't think there's any more snobbery in a small gauge than in sxs guns. Unless it's a B'ham gun, those are just sad
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Steve, the Nilo test as I recall took place in the 70s, probably not valid today with all the changes in the so called steel shot shells.
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If a pound or two makes or breaks you might be time to hang'um up...
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Snobbery! How an a guy who shoots Nitro Specials and other blue collar guns be a snob? I said that as I grow older and am often unable to walk, I choose my shots carefully. Nine out of ten guys can't handle an ounce of shot well enough inside 40 yards. I like the small gauge guns because I can still carry them. For years (when I was a pretty good shot) I shot a Flues 12 ga. with 7/8 loads and had no trouble within the 40 yards. Please, I have never said that I thought small bores were better than the larger ones. If you get to be 75, you'll know what I meant. I will not shoot a bird unless I am pretty sure to bag it. Chops I suppose you could be a victim of "snobbery" but I kind of doubt it. Your kind of situation was not what I was attempting to address. There is no doubt that lighter loads can be surprisingly effective to those of us who grew up with "the higher the brass, the better". There can also be obvious advantages to those of us (me, too!) who don't get around as spryly [Is this a word?] as we used to and/or who don't deal with recoil as well as we did when we were younger (ditto!). I haven't gotten to be 75, yet. I'm working on it, though!  What I was commeting about were folks who seem to think that light guns, gauges, and loads are somehow "virtuous", in themselves, and that using "heavier" is somehow "unsporting", "gamehoggery" and/or "low class". In my experience, the category of shotgunners, in the U.S., who seem to be most prone to this tendency are quail hunters.
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