Wonko is definitely in my court, although he hasn't said it in so many words in this thread. Go out and learn to shoot. Everything else will fall into place. Shotgun ballistics hobbyists are notoriously poor shots. By the way, give up the "quoting". It is a pain in the ass and no one wants to reread all that stuff. The "quote" function is only used by idiots. Maybe Dave will disable the function to allow these threads to make some sense.