Wonko, thanks for your last post with text. It reminded me that my regular pigeon gun had gotten a bit beyond my ability to score well with at the 30. The .040 chokes in the Parker make me feel I might do as well with a .22 rifle. Last week, I shot my little Evans crossover gun, bored .010 and .025 with some #8 trap loads. On the last field I killed five birds dead, the third sneaking over the far fence before expiring. The point I am trying to make in my original posts is that I was firing the tightest patterns I will ever need fifty years ago. Experimentation is wonderful, but not of much use to shooters. However, the sarcasm about my posts is appreciated. Yes, my 90% patterns with soft shot were repeated, many times. I also realize the limitations of tight patterns on crossing targets at 60 yards. The hits on a "non crossing" target at sixty yards are exactly as they look on the pattern board.