8-b, if the good Dr. figgers out this turkey choke thing and tighter patterns become generally available, you are just gonna have to get back out there and learn to shoot 'em. I understand you are satisfied with the current state of shotgun development. Some of us wonder if there are developments left to discover - just for the sake of the understanding if nothing else. Your position is probably the majority position, too. Yet, I see no need to "dis" research or attack researchers.

If you average the position of a target within the pattern, the probability of the number of hits at that average location tells you the probability of a "dead" target. Keep in mind that all shotgun "kills" are based on probabiity; not two patterns are exactly the same.