I had one of the AyA XXV's in 20ga. Nice gun to carry, but I could not do much with it at skeet. Also had one of the old Uggies imported by Parker-Hale, 28ga in XXV configuration. Even worse, as far as hitting anything, than the AyA. I think Churchill's concept worked better on guns that weigh a bit more than a many short-nosed 20's or 28's. As I noted above, putting additional weight on a 25" gun, like that BT on an SKB 280 20ga, definitely helps me.