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Incidentally...........learned something today. Prudhomme's book (WJW's reference) states the original floorplate was discarded because the engraving was reversed from the traditional orientation. Horizontal "landscape" engraving is typically viewed "muzzle left". I didn't know that. [img:left]  [/img]
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This is all incredibly helpful. To Gary Duffey - i would love to run an add in the Shreveport Times - let me know if that is feasible and i can wire the fee. I read a little about L G Thomas on the Atomic Heritage Foundation Message Board a few years back see below:
"There is a persistent story in our family regarding one of our uncles, Mr. Leon G. Thomas. He was born in 1905 and passed away in 1963. The story was that he was in some way associated with the design or construction of the first atomic bomb. Mr. Thomas was illiterate, but a master machinist and tool and dye maker. He would have been in his mid to late thirties during the time the bomb was being developed. He spent the remainder of his life in Shreveport, Louisiana, where he owned and operated his machine shop until his death. Can you tell me if there is any actual record of Leon G. Thomas being associated with the project? Thank you very much. Duncan Stephens"
I really do have the bit between my teeth to find out more.
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Grandview, You my be onto something. There is a discussion in Meeks book about proper orientation of game scenes in engraving and they may have used this engraving as an example. Now my memory may be screwed up a bit on this all but if I had my book I would verify, so until I verify I am talking speculation to some degree. (Isn't growing old a hoot  ) Anyone have the book handy or Iwill get my son to bring it back.
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ESP, sounds like your gun may have some history associated with it. And that is fun.
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Well I hope you all find your books and files as I don't have much chance of finding these books in the UK!
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Anyone have the book handy or I will get my son to bring it back. I did a quick check in the Meek book and do not see it.
MP Sadly Deceased as of 2/17/2014
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My son is bringing the book over and I will look. I could be wrong about Meeks book but my mind says I have seen the pic before and read about proper scene orientation. We will have to seee.
Forgetting about that for the moment, I think ESP's gun may be an interesting investigation.
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I would like to see full length pictures of both sides of the rifle. This is sort of like the "no name" rifles, It has a named maker, yet what do we know? I am sure the pieces will come together. As to the newpaper request that is no problem. I would like to know as much as possible (lineal decendents) first. It will help to provide a few clues or identifiers in the ad. I will be happy to do it. So then do we believe that this was a
master machinist who did stockwork, and sublet his engraving?
Gary
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Muzzle Left,,Muzzle Right
The term tells the engraver which edge(s) of the part being engraved are the top and which are the bottom of the game scene.
It has nothing to do with the pose the figures are in nor the direction they face.
The term relates to lengthwise scenes on either the top or the bottom surfaces of the gun,,not the sides.
Muzzle Left is the most common for a lengthwise scene on a rifle floorplate as it puts the scene in proper position (not upside-down) when a right-handed person is viewing the rifle.
One of the 'old' rules of engraving layout. Much of that has changed and you will find both methods used now.
The pics posted above from Prudhomme's book show the discarded floor plate. It is cut 'muzzle right'.
It is unfinished except for approx 50% of the scene. The scroll and some of the scene are still just in transfer markings.
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I'm afraid i haven't found out too much more since yesterday and don't have the ability to get too many more photos just yet. Gary - what did you mean about 'lineal descendants' above?
If the gun is marked for the early 1930's then this is at the beginning of the careers of l G Thomas and possible engravers! And i can't find out too much more re engravers - the Meek book is available on Amazon from the States but we think there is nothing in there?
thanks all
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