Mike, I use IC/M in the blind. My 16 and 20 cylinders, Parker and Elsie originals, are upland guns. Waterfowling here is mostly birds coming in than passing or going away. Not likely mangled that bird if I had pulled the IC trigger. No apologies because of risk of losing cripples; I have a superb dog. Doesn't happen. (Well, almost doesn't happen. I've lost three birds over the last 25 years. A dead bird penetrated and slid under ice that Jake couldn't reach. I called him in twice in breaking water where I feared he'd drown chasing bluebills a couple hundred metres from shore.) Gunnng around here is no stroll in the woods.