You guys who advocate ONLY open chokes probably do not hunt in the desert southwest. Late season doves out here are usually 40-plus yard shots. Jump shooting doves in the sand dunes is often a 50-60 yard proposition. If we wait for the doves to come to us, that can mean an empty bag. Quail in the parts of AZ where we hunt usually requires #6 shot and M/F chokes because of distance and cover. We don't see too many wild pheasants, but when we do they are spooky so it's tight chokes for them too. Chukar can be a day of climbing with no shots because they are up at 100 yards and gone, so I'm not going to waste my energy carrying a gun with C/IC chokes.