Hopefully, I can get some pictures attached. I'm trying to become a member of the 20th century. That still leaves some catching up to do. The 74' was done in 2005 so Shiloh has been doing this on 4140 for sometime. While borrowing some shade next to the Shiloh trailer during the Quigley, I asked one of the employees and they said it took Kirk Bryan about 50 attempts before he got it to where he was happy. I think their colors have improved since then. LRF, hope to see you at one of those shows.