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Monty: You, Sir, are the wisest of all! You have a Purdey. And the fools who disdain sleeved guns don't. Shoot it with pride.
Chuck: With all respect, please note that I specified "properly sleeved" and normal use. That ought to cover your hearsay exception.
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There is a great article on Hugh Lomas Gunsmithing which includes sleeving in the new Shooting Sportsman magazine.
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I have seen a couple of sleeved guns that have failed ,in so much that the tubes have started to come out of the backends. This was due in both cases to the simple fact that they were to loosely fitted and thus relying purley on the solder to hold them together. The tubes should be a tight fit .I'm sure some one who actually does the sleeving like John Foster could confirm this . In fact I have seen more barrels fail or showing signs of failing as the result of having multi choke fitted , which in my opinion , does lower the value of a gun .
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I curious what you did about it or how did you fix it. Monty
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Gunman, I think we jumped from one subject to another. Failures "as the result of having multi choke fitted" . . . are you talking about threading the muzzles for choke tubes resulting in failures?
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I have an H Pieper hammer double with twist bbls in a 1-piece steel block (Mono-Block). The tubes on this bbl set are threaded & soldered into the block. I would not expect any failure here. The tubes actually extend only about half way through the block, thus the rear portion of the chamber is cut into the block with the forward portion being in the tube.
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Kensal, Yes, you did say "properly" and you also said you "...had not seen..". I believe that all properly sleeved guns will hold up well. But that's hearsay as well.
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in response to the original general question re any disadvantage with a sleeved gun,i will add my opinion.i would not buy a sleeved gun (regardless of price reduction or otherwise)simply because i do not wish to own a sleeved gun.my opinion is not based on any mechanical,safety,engineering or cost reason ,it is personal choice. therefore,a disadvantage may be found on resale if anyone else shares my view, cheers mrwmartin
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Colleagues,
You might enjoy reading what Gough Thomas has to say on this subject—See Gough Thomas’s Gun Book (P.106-112; Gunner Press, 1994). It concludes with, “I myself would use them [guns with properly sleeved barrels] with confidence.”
Berrien
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In answer to points put . One gun was scrapped the other had new tubes fitted , The finished job was not 100% but it did not look to bad. I made the point about multi chokes , referring mainly to guns that have had them installed after manufacture .As a counterpoint to the accusation that sleeving lowers the value of a gun ,It is my opinion that fitting multi choke alao lowers the value of a gun and that I have seen a number of barrels that have failed/bulged as result. You sleeve a gun when the barrel has either been damaged or it has passed a point of safety. With multi chokes you take a good barrel and effectively destroy its originality. It is indeed a topic for another thread
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