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I highly agree with Mr. "Model2128Ga" and I highly disagree with Mr. "burns".

The chokes on both guns are perfect for grouse hunting and most other upland bird hunting.

Don, over on the Upland Journal where most of the guys are ruffed grouse hunters, I have seen most favor very open chokes. Heck my Dickson I bought from a grouse hunter on here was opened up to Cyl, IC. Spreaders work, but for a dedicated grouse gun I would want as open as I can get. As a collector gun though I would not open them up.
Wade

The more I think about it I am starting to agree LM would not be bad. You guys are likely correct it would work well for grouse. I still like the splinter better than the beavertail but that is more individual taste than anything. There is a thread though over on UJ where the consensus for grouse hovers around Cyl, IC
http://www.uplandjournal.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard312a/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=2;t=72205

Have never seen a Model 21 choked(marked) IC/WS2?
WS1 and WS2 were developed by Winchester for SKEET shooting with the ammunition of the era, in all practicality, there is not much difference between WS1/WS2 and IC/MOD, at least none that will affect your hunting.
The question and answers are really a 'Tempest in a Teapot'.
If a "standard" SKEET Model 21 with either 26"(early gun) or later 28" barrels, they have very nice wood and finish were available with pistol or straight grip and only have a butt plate. Splinter guns if built for stock were older guns.
If you have actually found two Model 21's marked with the above choking, the primary concern would be for condition, condition, condition and stock fit. Either will shoot the same.-Dick

This is very true, Dick. The main difference is the way that the WS1/WS2 chokes were cut and regulated in relation to the more common !C/MOD chokes.
They were cut completely different in length and profile.

When I was 19 years old, I looked at two nice Model 21s, priced right. I couldn't decide between IC and MOD and WS1 and WS2. I bought them both, wore the 12 to a frazzle, traded it off years later, still have the little skeet 20. My next 21, a short time later, was a 28" 12, double triggers, extractors, MOD and FULL, $495. That one is gone too, but I still have a picture of a young, dark haired hunter, recently back from the Army, with a load of PA ringnecks in the back of a '72 Suburban with that great gun. Buy them both.

like a splinter for field carry. They are lighter, more comfortable to carry, and it seems I can more quickly mount a splinter gun.
I'm with Sam. I own one with a beavertail and a simmons rib and it is a little on the heavy side when carrying all day...but is is a meat machine very stable I am not sure of what the weight is but my guess 7 lbs.

"They were cut completely different in length and profile."

Don, I understand that but the fact remains "there is not much difference between WS1/WS2 and IC/MOD" in practicality and muddying up the water with a discussion of profiles versus choke types was not germane to the original Post.-Dick

Picking nits over chokes,is usually an excuse for not being able to shoot. Or not shooting much, just talking about ti..

Amen Last Dollar. A number of years ago I was having a shooting lesson in the UK, my tutor was Mickey Rouse, a number of times world champion Helice or ZZ (don�t know what you chaps in the States call it) We had done a few layouts and came to the high tower (120 feet or 40 yds) and I said to Mickey I was a bit concerned as the gun was choked I/C, I/C. he took the gun off me and commenced to bust 8 out of 10 clays from the tower FROM THE HIP !!! He handed me the gun back and said "Mike, with modern cartridges and under 90% of all game shooting conditions, choke is largely immaterial as long as you have I/C and a decent pattern"