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It's a very nice gun.
I can't help but thinking Tony Treadwell would have loved this thread.
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Just for interest a William Ford double barrel boxlock chamberless 8 bore (not 10) sold at Scotarms Auctions (in England) for 4,000. Described as having 30 inch barrels (short for an 8) and bold scroll engraving. Lagopus.....
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While on the 3 1/4" 10 bore topic.I have two guns that are 3 1/4" chambered and one marked for the brass "Perfect" case. They are not however chamberless. Both guns were black powder proofed and stamped with a bore size of 10/2.This would put it in a range of .793 - .803. as built. They both measure about .800.They have forcing cones but are not very deep.Obviously designed for the thin wall case and a larger wad. I also have another hammergun by W.P.Jones that started life as a chamberless 12 with 34" steel barrels and was rechambered and proofed to 3 1/2" magnum 10.It did service as such with a friend in Lancashire for several years,accounting for a serious number of Pinkfeet and Greylag before I obtained it.They all weigh over 10 pounds. One is 11 1/4
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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Terry, that's what usually happens to chamberless guns here in Britain and it adds value rather than detracts from it. Your 12 bore chamberless made into a 3 1/2" 10 makes it useable. It shows how strongly made they were. CJF's 8/10 would no doubt be re-chambered to an 8 here and double its value. As 8's can't be used for wildfowling in the U.S. it is best left original as a collector's piece. As for the 'Perfect' brass case this was Kynoch's trade name for the brass cases for chamberless guns. I have quite a few of the Kynoch Perfect cartridges in my collection. One of my 3" chambered 12 bores is marked on the top of the barrels, 'For 3" Paper Cases Only' as an aid to preventing the loading of a thin brass case and upping the pressure. Lagopus.....
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I have a 10 bore Joseph Lang BL with 32" barrels made sometime in the 1920's. It was made as a 2 7/8", but I had it changed to 3 1/4". The work was done by a chap in the west of England (forgot his name) and he also made me 3 1/4- 1 3/4oz shells for the gun. I addition I got some brass shells too. They all worked fine. With no. 3 (GB) pellets, it is a very good goose gun with a nice balance. As I understood it, he had done that operation with many 10 bores.
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I returned home today and was delighted to find that the William Ford had arrived.
Weight is 10.23 lbs. Barrels alone weigh 4.95 lbs and are extremely stout at the muzzles. By the way, the leather maker's case is really quite nice and is sized for 30" barrels. Based on that fact, and the appearance of the muzzles, I believe this is the original length.
Next step is to take this down to a local shop to have the barrel walls measured.
Again, thanks to all who have helped with information. I am grateful.
Chris
Last edited by CJF; 04/28/12 08:52 PM.
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Great news Chris. It looks as if Christmas has arrived early in your household. It would be nice to see more photos of her.
I have just looked in an old Eley Trade catalogue; which sadly is undated but I think from the 1950's and is still advertising Thin Brass cases for 10 bore 3 1/4" and 12 bore ones from 2 1/2" to 3 1/4". I would suspect that they were of pre war vintage as they were just being sold off as cases. Good luck with taking her shooting. I still would be interested as to how your Game Wardens would describe it; would it be a 10 bore or an 8 bore by their definition? Lagopus.....
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