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These cartridges are one of the few CIP cartridges on sale here. They are made in Greece and CIP certified in Hungary.

You can see them on here:

www.lambro.gr

Has anyone ever used these? They are CIP certified so I presume their 36 gram biturbo cartridges are usable in 1 1/4 oz or 3 1/4 tons per square inch proof English doubles.However they also have 1050 bar written on each shell! Are they usable in 2 3/4 inch English guns proofed accordingly?

But my real question is about there "CLASSIC" brand of cartridges. The 32 gram load produces a max (CIP certified) pressure of 550 bar.It is loaded in a 67.5 mm case although labelled 70mm ( I know by actual measurement of opened cartridges). Would you use these in 2 1/2 inch chambered English doubles nitro - proofed for 3 tons per square inch?


What about the "CLASSIC" 34 gram load producing 600 bars max pressure?

Finally are the Hungarian CIP presures transducer or lead crusher pressures or are they different measurements from the American pressure measurement systems? I weant to their website but I don't read Hungarian and could not find an English translation.

I guess this is just another disguised pressure question!

Thanks again for your help.

All the best

Skeeterbd

I'll agree it is a bit vague. CIP tested cartridges of 65mm. or 67.5mm. are usually o.k. in 2 1/2" chambered English guns that are in proof. Certainly the stated pressure are well within bounds. European CIP testing is different to the U.S. system and are a guide to use in guns that have gone through proof testing to recognised and agreed test procedeure. The American system being different as it has no recognised Proof laws. I've not come across these brands in the U.K. I note that some are loaded with as small as number 11 shot and also .410 slugs. If the Greeks are anything like the Maltese and Cypriots they will shoot just about anything and everything. If it flies it dies and that includes butterflies in some areas as I believe all the birds have been shot out. They cause a bit of an upset in Europe with their habit of shooting rare birds that are migrating into mainland Europe to breed. I know that doesn't answer your question but does go some way to explain their extensive range.

Looking at what they say they seem to use Italian made cases, primers and wads and Italian and French made powders. What the Hungarian connection is I know not. we did used to get Hungarian cartridges here in Britain that went under the name Nike. Lagopus.....

Lagopus

Thank you for your detailed reply.

Incidentally I am aware of the proclivities of some to regard birds as game which others regard as sacrosanct from my abiding interest in all hunting around the world, made easier via the web. But then I come from a region where a species of heron is considered the premier game bird!

The Hungarian connection, as far as I can make out, is because Greece is not part of the CIP union and so Lambro uses the Hungarian proof house which is part of CIP. Probably reasons of cost.

All the best

Skeeterbd