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A German dealer is offering a drilling to me, and I can't translate all the words. Here is the listing:


Krieghoff Trumpf, 7 x 57 R + 16-70, SEM, ZF Hertel + Reuss 2 3/4 -10 x 46 / 4, D. Backe, Separate Kugelspannung,, Schaftmagazin, Dural Bask�le. EL. 22 cm� -.22 Win Mag

I can understand a lot of the description, but I would appreciate it if someone would translate the whole thing to English.

Thanks.

Allan

Allen I can do some of it. Rifle barrel is 7x57R, shotgun is 2 3/4" 16ga, I believe it comes with a .22 win mag insert and the Hertel scope is a 2 3/4x10 x 46. The insert is 8.66" long.

I think what he is looking for is separate rifle/bullet cocker, bullet trap in the stock & Dural-aluminium frame. Axel, furhmann or Hannes I'm sure will be along shortly to put us on track.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, you forget to mention the SEM Suhler Einhakmontage or Claw mounts.
Marc.

Allan,

here is it all together:

7x57R rifle and 16 gauge for 2 3/4 shells, SEM = Suhl claw mount, ZF = scope Hertel + Reuss, variable 2 3/4 - 10x, 46 mm objective /front lens, with reticle no. 4 (crosshair with thick posts), german (rounded) cheek piece, lock for rifle barrel with separate cocking, butt trap for some rifle cartridges, Dural = aluminum action housing, insert barrel .22 WMR is 22 cm short, detachable.

Regards,
fuhrmann

Thanks. The D. Bache and Kugelspannung had me baffled. I knew that kugel means rifle. Here's another curve ball he threw: he says that he can fit a handstretcher, or something close to that, to a bolt action Mauser. What could that be? He seemed rather proud of it.

"Handstetcher or something" Might be two things:
1. Handspannung, a manual cocking.
or
2. Stecher, a set trigger.
It could also be that he can make both. The german set trigger is not so uncommon as original equipment on civilian M/98:s. The manual cocking is more of a modern tuning part available in several versions.

Regards
Hannes

"Handspannung" - you can cock and de-cock the action without operating the bolt.
The idea is that you can carry a loaded and de-cocked rifle, and this is thought "safer".
This is similar to the "separate Kugelspannung" in your Krieghoff drilling - there it makes sense, wingshooting with a "primed and cocked" rifle barrel is risky business.
In a bolt action rifle I consider it quite unimportant (thinking of the good Mauser 98 safety) but this appears to be quite a fashion in Germany now (even my brother had such a thing installed on his Remington 700).
I think this craze comes from newfangled contaptions like Blaser R93 that have this feature and are cleverly marketed as "safety rifles".

Here is another proud inventor showing how it works - of course in German, sorry - but I do not know who else is interested in this stuff.
Maybe the Swiss, who will be even harder to understand ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8H3vXhaeLg

Regards,
fuhrmann

Actually kugel means ball. Some tightly choked shotgun barrels are marked "nicht f�r Kugel" (not for ball). An engravers block is known as a "Graveure Kugel."

Roger

I went back and looked at his email about the handstretcher. He described it as being able to move from left to right. I believe it is a hand cocking mechanism. I have Blaser R93s and R8s and I do like that system. Now that you mention it, Mr. Bleile, I did see "nicht fur Kugel" on an old drilling and I knew at one time what it meant. Thanks for reminding me. I think that kugel gets used a lot to denote a tube shooting a solid projectile, as I have seen "K" on a drilling barrel selector. It's not so different as the English adoption of the noun for the projectile tube as "barrel", when that term originally was applied to a storage vessel.