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#278453 05/17/12 12:45 AM
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All,

I just acquired this rifle and was hoping you could help me id it and the markings also.

http://imgur.com/a/uRbi7

Thank you in advance.

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Typical offering by Bernard Paatz wearing proofs from the Zella-Mehlis facility in March 1930 more than likely chambered in 8.15X46 1/2 R with the 11 gram lead bullet.

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Bl. G. / 11.0 gr means it's proofed for an 11 gram lead bullet, (Blei Geschoss). To convert from grams to grains avoirdpois, use a factor of 15.43 hence 170 grains.

The crowned G proof mark means Gezogen, (rifled barrel). The Crown over U is a definative proof / inspection mark. I can make the other crowned mark out in the picture.

The 7,6mm / 46 might well be a 8.15x46,1/2mm as this was a common target round. In that case the 7,6mm must be the lands diameter. Dropping an 8.15x46, 1/2mm round into the chamber to check for fit is a quick way to narrow down your search. If it doesn't fit then you know you have more work to do. If it does, don't assume too much, (and don't just shoot it), without doing a cerrosafe chamber cast to confirm if this is the correct round for this rifle.

The 3.30 is perhaps the date of proof, March, 1930. JP Sauer were making a very similar rifle, also known as a "Tell", between 1896 and 1936.

It looks like the word "N" appears on the receiver, in which case it's nitro proofed. It would still pay to get a good gunsmith to check it out before use.

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Here's the case dimensions for the 8,15x46R:

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd815x46r.jpg

Keep in mind that there are lots of variations in case shape and bore diameter for this round. It was "normalised" some time shortly after 1900 and modern cases will be "normal" ammo specs. Previous to the "normalising", cases will vary from one manufacturer to another. Also modern dies will return brass to the "normal" size, but it may still not fit in your rifle if it's not a "normal" chamber. Hence why you should do a cerrosafe chamber cast and perhaps also slug the bore, (these varied quite a bit too, it seems). If it is indeed the 582nd proofed firearm in the month of March 1930, it might have been made late enough that current production cases will fit and you'll be a lucky guy.

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Ah, I see a 46 which would point to the 8.15x46 1/2 R. Now the "Crown" over "G" is for proof with a solid projectile. The Austrians used a solid projectile for all at the onset then if it was to be proofed with shot at a later stage thru a tube with constriction, Not for Ball was pressed on the tube.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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