Perhaps you should try reading the first sentence, above. But, that said, at the prices mentioned, they SHOULD be brought up, every single time the name comes up.
Did you see the pistol grip, single trigger wreck at Pug's a few years back? No amount of money spent was going to make it nice. Price of admission was $8000, about $7995 too much.
As to handling best guns, I did more of that in Europe than here, but, I've seen, and owned, my share. Ask me about the first pattern Hollands single trigger sometime-I'll tell you how it works.
Unlike you, I don't fall for the it-cost-a-ton-of-money-it-has-to-be-good myopic view of good guns, displayed here, and elsewhere. Does the word "prudence" mean anything to you?
Best,
Ted