So, old colonel, you are saying the Max Fischer clamshell Facile Princeps actioned gun in the first several photos above was indeed the gun that Ben Loving had for some time? You bought it from Loving, then traded it away and Clay ended up with it? That makes good sense, there surely are not many of those action designs marked Fischer in the country. I looked at it with an eye toward adding it to the other Max Fischer gun I already had, but could not get together with Loving on it. I find it very interesting that at least three of us here on this bbs became seriously interested in the same gun. That was some time back, perhaps six or seven years when I initially saw the gun. Fischer apparently either was quite a craftsman himself, or had someone working with him who was. The few examples of his work I have seen have all had good finish detail, including nice stocking and engraving. Not many of his guns turn up. I notice that gun is marked "M.G. Fischer, Berlin" while mine is marked "Max Fischer, Berlin." Wonder why he used two different "signatures?"