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I've read over the years, in places I can't remember, that the 700 was not the quality of the 500. Changes in manufacturing, and materials, quality of finish, experience of workmen at the time, etc. Would like someone in the know to elaborate.
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Ted
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The following show three BLE's for comparison: an 1894 Woodward, an 1897 Army&Navy recorded as a A&W 52, and a 1910 Woodward recorded as a W&S. The A&N and the 1910 JW have the threaded spindle (photo #2) while the 1894 JW does not (photo #3). The '94 JW and the A&N have doll's heads while the 1910 JW has a straight extension. Only the A&N has "Patent" on the top lever. Do you think the '94 JW is a London built gun or a Scott? What model is the 1910 JW?   
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In my opinion the engraving is as English as the Oak trees that stood in Windsor great park...
I have recut a few of these Joe Brown/Walter Howe engraved W&S actions and they are all fairly similar.
Joe Brown was one of the most highly regarded engravers in England, the chief engraver for Webley Scott and an instructor at Aston technical school in Brummie town.
Last edited by Barry Lee Hands; 03/08/07 02:25 PM.
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BLH and/or other enrgavers - Per this photo of the Woodward by W&S, the monogram is not of the original purchaser. Do you suppose the "panel" where the monogram is located was blank and this monorgam just took advantage of the blank space? The original monogram should have been SSO. Does this monogram look French/Belgian? Any thoughts as to the rest of the engraving being London or Birmingham? 
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Rocketman, why the reference Army and Navy with Webley Scott, please? I value highly my 12ga A&N circa 1913 boxlock IC/IM because I shoot well with it but couldn't imagine it in such illustrious company as W&S.
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K B - there is a very high probability that your A&N was built by W&S; A&N retailed a lot of W&S Screw Grip guns. The one pictured above surely was. In the A&N book it is noted as a A&W 52, the second quality grade Screw Grip. Further, in case I didn't make my point clear, it is a very close sibling to the 1910 Woodward shown, the Woodward being noted as W&S in the Woodward books.
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Rocketman, here is a picture of my A&N C.S.L. (W&S made "proprietary" grade 3) The design looks just like your 1910 Woodward. Disc set strikers, the bridge is a bit lower than the flats, they have the same screw grip and the pins on the side of the bar seems to be the same as well. I think mine was built just before WW1 and it was sold by A&N in 1921. 
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Have any of you Webley owners ever had problems with wear in the hinge pin?
I have read somewhere that this fault is the achilles heel of Webley actions.
Apparently due to the configuration of the hinge.
I have never had any trouble.
Opinions please.
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Salopian,
What would make the W&S hinge pin any different from any other hinge pin? I have never heard of any gun being known to have a faulty hinge pin. (I have heard of "soft" hinge pins, pins that were not round due to over zealous filing, and pins that were harder than the lumps causing excessive wear, all of these thing being created by less than professional refinishing techniques). Very curious.
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Perhaps it´s because most W&S boxlocks have got "integrated" hinge pins, and not removable ones. When the hinge pin gets worn, and all hinge pins do, it's a more complex and expensive affair to repair it than on guns with removable ones.
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