I just measured about six guns using your method Ted and found a range from zero, both my Utica SW 16 and my Tolley single barrel 12, 2 1/2" for both my Philly A grade 12's, and a 3 1/4" and a 4" for two Piepers, 16 and 12 respectively.

The Piepers kick like stink and I can't feel the SW 16 and the Tolley. Don't know if that is what's supposed to happen when you get under your recommended 1 1/2 or 2 inches.

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