Raimey, I intended nothing terse or brusque, simply noted the differences in the two datings by Mr. Stephens and Mr. Cates and wondered about the differences. Mr. Cates seemed to be "correcting" Mr. Stephens in his email to the original poster. If Mr. Stephens is indeed incorrect, I would like to alter my copy of his listings to read correctly, if possible. I have spoken with each of them in the past, as I have mentioned to you in our conversations. It would be a good thing for the collecting "group" as a whole if Mr. Cates has correcting information he has obtained from his visit to the Sauer building that could be made public. It is not a good and proper thing to have two conflicting date lists circulating, IMO. If they can be reconciled, it would benefit all. That's my only point.