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Well, that was interesting, Joe I asssume that in the UK the 2 1/2" 28 ga shells are available?
I'd love to have a Webley 728. I would pay more for that that a 12 ga 700
I would not want a 16 ga though. Mike, you sure will. A 28 bore fetches a 250% to 400% premium over 12 bore. I saw an unremarkable vintage box lock 28 bore fetch more than $10,000 when the 12 bore of identical make and era was a $1500 gun. Vintage sub gauge guns are rare, 28 being the most desirable, 24 being the least.
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Mike I have a nice little Birmy / Salter and Varge 28, made between the wars. 25" barrels, straight stock, ejectors, 5lbs 3oz. I paid about 75% over its equivilent in a 12 bore - $2300. 2-1/2" chambers, proofed for 5/8 oz, service load would be 9/16 oz.
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Mike I have a nice little Birmy / Salter and Varge 28, made between the wars. 25" barrels, straight stock, ejectors, 5lbs 3oz. I paid about 75% over its equivilent in a 12 bore - $2300. 2-1/2" chambers, proofed for 5/8 oz, service load would be 9/16 oz. At $2300, you must have also bought it between the wars. 
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Mike I have a nice little Birmy / Salter and Varge 28, made between the wars. 25" barrels, straight stock, ejectors, 5lbs 3oz. I paid about 75% over its equivilent in a 12 bore - $2300. 2-1/2" chambers, proofed for 5/8 oz, service load would be 9/16 oz. At $2300, you must have also bought it between the wars. Awww, I shot my mouth off before I checked. I paid $3400 which is about a 160% premium. Then I paid the gunsmith $768 to take the trigger pulls from 7 pounds to 3-1/2 and 4 lbs and to repair a very small chip in the toe and to repair the thumblever spring that broke the first time I took it hunting. But I did win $500 from a fellow on a bet concerning an integral or a separate hinge pin. It was separate and I won. Funny how my gun deals and my school grades get better with time. I bought in December of 2009. And it weighs 5lbs 1oz.
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And I thought John Browning made the 16 popular in the USA
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Mike, looks like a nice little splinter of a gun. Gil
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Was that made by Whistler's grandfather ?
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Maybe the case was but the gun is a Salter and Varge.
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Pretty serious underbore--like almost .020 under the standard .550--assuming the bores have not been enlarged much since it was proofed as a 31.
As for the popularity of the 16, the A5 didn't appear in Sweet 16 configuration until 1937. By that time, American makers had already produced thousands of domestic 16ga side by sides (over 25,000 from Fox alone, and likely more than that each from Parker, Elsie, and Ithaca--not to mention the hardware store brands). And by that time, most American 16's (except the Elsies) were chambered for 2 3/4" shells, while the prewar Sweeties were still 2 9/16".
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