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On older skeet guns it was common to have the right barrel choked more than the left, because targets were shot from the low gun position, and the outgoing target would be further away than is normal today. I once owned an IJ Skeeter in .410 that was so choked. My preference in a .410 double for quail hunting would be 0.007" constriction in the right barrel, and 0.011" or 0.012" in the left. Also I would restrict my shots to 30 yards or so.
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For giggles and grins: Tungsten 9s (18 g/cc density), 13/16 oz. (305 pellets) at 40 yards, Yildiz .410 single-shot, .575 full choke, unaltered gun. 109 in 10" ring, 128 in 10-20". Not recommended in old doubles. 
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Don't over think the choke... unless you are competing for the world championships.
Go shoot the gun for a while with whatever choke is in it. Then decide what you want to do, if anything. If it's way too tight, as some makers have as much as .036 in their chokes, open it to something more reasonable for your uses. .015/.008 ain't too bad.
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All you .410ers, don't neglect to use Dr. Jones's shotgun insight program to do statistical analysis on your patterns. If you do and several of you combine your data, we will all really learn something!!
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Don't over think the choke... unless you are competing for the world championships.
Go shoot the gun for a while with whatever choke is in it. Then decide what you want to do, if anything. If it's way too tight, as some makers have as much as .036 in their chokes, open it to something more reasonable for your uses. .015/.008 ain't too bad. I totally get it Chuck. In this case however, I get to pick'em. I want to have at least one .410 SxS that I can shoot Skeet with. A remote resemblance to field chokes in the event of a decision to sell keep me from choosing a Cylander/Skeet set up. I'm not looking to extend the effective range of this gun, I'm just looking for the optimum chokes for Skeet(basically)
but don't want a DT Double to have the same choke in both barrels i.e. Skeet/Skeet.
How about .011/.007, LMod/SkeetII ?? Tom, my earlier post seems to be along the lines of what you've suggested. On older skeet guns it was common to have the right barrel choked more than the left, because targets were shot from the low gun position, and the outgoing target would be further away than is normal today. I once owned an IJ Skeeter in .410 that was so choked. My preference in a .410 double for quail hunting would be 0.007" constriction in the right barrel, and 0.011" or 0.012" in the left. Also I would restrict my shots to 30 yards or so.
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"For giggles and grins: Tungsten 9s (18 g/cc density), 13/16 oz. (305 pellets) at 40 yards, Yildiz .410 single-shot, .575 full choke, unaltered gun. 109 in 10" ring, 128 in 10-20". Not recommended in old doubles."
GLS;
Is that .575 a typo?? Seems a .575 muzzle ID in a .410 would result in a blunderbuss, not a full choke. Did you perhaps mean .375 for a .035 constriction?
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Bob,
knowing you are local and hunt in the same terrain/areas I do...and I suspect you hunt over pointing dogs, you could get away with mod/cyl like my gun to hunt with. But since you were talking about marketability to hunters. full/mod or full/ic would be the most marketable, IMO. People buying these little guns usually default to tight chokes, right or wrong.
I shot a lot of skeet with a .410 that had .010/.007 and thought nothing about chokes.
Keep it slightly tight for your marketability. I've passed on some .410's because the chokes were rediculously openned.
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"For giggles and grins: Tungsten 9s (18 g/cc density), 13/16 oz. (305 pellets) at 40 yards, Yildiz .410 single-shot, .575 full choke, unaltered gun. 109 in 10" ring, 128 in 10-20". Not recommended in old doubles."
GLS;
Is that .575 a typo?? Seems a .575 muzzle ID in a .410 would result in a blunderbuss, not a full choke. Did you perhaps mean .375 for a .035 constriction? I misquoted myself. It's .375. 
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Several years ago, when I was shooting Skeet competitively, my Kolar tubes for the .410 had two levels of choke. I used 5 tenths choke for regular Skeet and 8 tenths choke for Doubles and practice.
5 tenths is also about where Briley thinks is best for Skeet.
With the 5 tenths I got consistent, strong breaks. With the 8 tenths, heavy hits were common. With Remington factory loads, smoke was often the case, even from station 4.
The .410 appears to be very sensitive as regards what shells are used and even slight differences in choke can make a significant difference.
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Years ago I shot with a All American who has passed. At that time many, if not most of the top guns in the Mid-Alantic area were using .010 and .012 chokes with Remington shells. Smoke was the normal result even from the middle stations. He had choke tubes from .005 to .020 plus, in increments of .001. Easy to do when they sent him tubes for free.
We found that there was little difference for the average shooter from .005 to .010. Get into tubes tighter than .012-.015 and the hits dropped of in numbers but the smoke went way up. Top shooters could use tight chokes to advantage but average shooters could not. Clay targets are not birds and many fail to think about the number of chipped targets as being wounded birds in real life. Tight chokes are often not the answer for hunting and you need to pattern loads and make evaluations of your results on real birds. Tight chokes are not substitute for practice and good range estimation.
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