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Yes, RK, Rudolf Kelber would make sense but I'll have to look at the possibilities for GK. At some point, possibly in the 1930s, a Erich Kelber looks to have paired with Wilhelm Kelber(Gewehrlauffabrikation), possibly his son?

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Raimey
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A Eduard Kettner vierling at auction:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=331229198












Interesting proof in the final state and what looks to be a 517 plug gauge over 35mm. I don't recall a 517 but there was a 527.





Maybe a script EK near the forend hanger?

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Raimey
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Looks to be a set of JY stamps in addition to the K in a rhombus. Also, there just from the images which can be deceiving, 2 Kelber script L type stamps with one over the Crown over G on the lower rifled tube, when the light is just right.



I think the date to be 339, not 330, and for the moment I cannot work the 72 ledger number into the mix. Seems all the mechanics marks are from Suhl but I cannot see the scattergun tubes Nitro marks.


Supplemental Proof table

Raimey,
The Kettner has the look of a Meffert. Kettner mostly dealt in guns from other manufacturers. I suspect the 517 is not a ga. designation, this wouldn't fit with the case length(35mm),nor time period (well after 1912).It could instead be the bore dia.in mm, which would admittedly be very tight( 5.17 mm-0.2035", more common 5.3mm-0.2085")The 5.6x35 Vierling is sometimes encountered with very tight barrel.Not having the gun "in hand", I wouldn't bet the farm on it though.
Mike

Ford, I think the serial number to be a bit low for Meffert for the time. I'll have to revisit my notes but I'm pretty sure Axel has given that 0.22' & some Floberts were given as plug gauge stamps.

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Raimey
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Ford, I thought the answer to be here

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post213570

But I don't see it with a surface scan. I may have confused it with the Crown over G possibilities.

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Raimey
rse

Raimey,
It looks like a Meffert to me.If I'm wrong, it's not the first time. I doubt that you can count on guns made by Meffert for someone else to be in their serial number range,I could be wrong.The link you gave doesn't give the answer. The 6mm Flobert didn't require a liscense, but the .22lr did.Anyway,the gun in question had the case length, for the barrel in question,shown as 35mm. The cartridge has to be 5.6x35R Vierling, which wouldn't fall under this. They didn't use the ga.designation of bore diameter with case length, as a general rule.Ga.designation of bore diameter stopped and case length stamp started in 1912. This gun was proofed considerably later than this.(Mauser did mark their .22s with the ga. in addition to 22 lang fur buschen, until the war.)
Mike

Crown over B, Crown over G
Crown over U
5,17 - Looks to be a comma
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35

So Ford, indeed you may be correct unless my eyes are playing tricks on me.

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Raimey
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