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Just don't shoot a 21 on Saturday and then shoot a Boss game gun on Sunday.It will ruin you for the 21 forever.
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You guys knocking the Winchester Model 21 are something in my book. They are very good guns IMHO. They have chopper lump barrels which is a sign of a 'best' gun. They are very stout and well-balanced for their intended purpose. In this regard, I saw a man win over $100,000.00 shooting live birds with a Model 21. I'm pretty sure he felt he was using an excellent gun which in no way resembled a 'baseball bat". For sure, no one watching him shoot thought he was using a baseball bat! Personally, I have owned several Model 21's as well as many English guns, including 'best' sidelocks, such as Boss, Holland and Holland and Purdey shotguns. I still own some of these guns. They are all very nice, but so are the Model 21's. And, if I want to shoot high powers, I don't go English......I use a Model 21 or a Browning Superposed (another great gun, IMHO ). Model 21 Winchester shotguns are very good guns and the market generally agrees with me.
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You guys just don't get it. Most of us who own and shoot Model 21s also own and shoot British, Italian, Belgian, and other shotguns.
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I am not disputing that the 21 is a fine gun it's kinda like having to choose between Marilyn Monroe and Audrey Hepburn for us older guys or Katy Perry and Taylor Swift for the younger crowd.
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Buzz,
your right,they seem to be well liked,have a great following & sell for good money...but what do you mean by "Shooting high power(s)" ?
I guess my thing is I just don't find them even remotely handsome....but a gun doesn't have to be pretty to be good, n beauty is in the eye etc etc
shoot em in gd health buzz, no harm meant
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I know no harm was meant, Franc. And I didn't mean any harm. By 'high powers' , I'm talking 1 1/4 oz shot, 3 3/4 drams of powder, such as Federal Hi-Powers or Remington Express. Even Win or Fed 'flyer' loads with 1 1/4 oz of shot and 3 1/4 drams of powder would be real hard on English 'best' guns. I sure as heck don't shoot them in my English guns! I hope no one takes what I've said as offensive. Holy cow, we are just talking guns. Buzz
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Winchester model 21s are not chopper lump barrel guns-they are dovetail lump.
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They are chopper lump, with barrels dovetailed together at the lumps. Lumps are not attached by dovetail to the barrels -- each half lump is the same piece of steel as barrel.
Jay
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They are chopper lump, dovetailed together. Agreed. Model 21 barrels are unequivocally of chopper lump construction. Then the lumps are dovetailed together. I can see why Ted is confused, because this is a little complicated, but 21's are clearly chopper lump.
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