It was approximately 25 plus years ago when I visited Pachmayr's store which was located then, I believe, on Grand Ave in LA. I was in Los Angeles on business and expected to make a 30 minute visit to the store. I met Frank and over the period of the next 3 hours saw his private gun collection, of about 40 guns, and was given a tour of his many buildings storing thousands of wood blanks. I also saw how they made Packmayr rubber recoil pads plus toured the custom gun shop. As it worked out, I made it to the plane just as they were closing the doors.
