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I have a Model 12 that I can't decide what to do with. Heres the problem. When I got it, it had a metal aluminum spacer on the end of the buttstock under a white line pad. So I bought a Winchester pad from Galazan to put it back to original. But whoever put the gizmo on it used brass inserts and machine screws for the pad screws and they are a little off from the new pad and I can't get the screws down onto the stock to fit it on the gun. So I am going to have to remove at least one of the brass inserts before I can start to work then use one machine screw again and one wooden screw where I remove the insert. What is the best way to get those brass inserts out of the stock? Do they twist out? Or am I going to have to drill them out? They put them in the original holes and I won't be able to get a screw down along side the inserts. And the inserts are just a bit off when I try to use the machine screws with the new pad.

All the threaded inserts I've seen were right-hand thread and either a straight slot or hex socket for driving. Might be expoxied in which case some heat to soften perhaps. You could drill them out; might even pilot a small diameter hole saw in the insert and cut on the periphery and pop em out whole--bigger hole to fill tho. It's brass, how hard can it be? Glue in dowels and establish new centers.

jack

I will probably go the dowel route. These look like they have been pressed in after drilling out a hole. I tried wobbling one to loosen it up but it won't budge. Thanks, rabbit.

If they were just pressed in and not glued you can use an appropriate sized socket as a 'puller' by placing it over the insert with the open end facing down and then placing a washer over the square drive hole and using a longer machine screw to 'pull' the brass insert straight up out of the stock.

You would still need to take Jack's advice about a using a hardwood dowel afterwards.

Ill bet they are threaded! Gets yourself a set of "screw extractors from your hardware store.
drill out the center with the right sized drill for an extrator. Lightly tap the extactor in hole, and UNSCREW the insert!
Drill the old hole out to a dowel size and plug with a harwood dowel!

easy repair.

Gooser

They are threaded on the inside (ID) but I can't tell if they are screwed into the wood or pressed in. There's no way to get a wrench on them. The outside is round and flush with the stock. They could be screwed in. I thought about screwing a screw down in them and loctiting or epoxying the screw in and twisting them out. I'll just have to drill them out and fill in with a dowel. Thanks for all the help. Good luck.

Does it look like this?
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/productdetail.aspx?p=18246

It looks similar to that, but down in the inside it is round and hollow. I don't see any hex sides down in the inside for an allen wrench. That's why I think it is just tapped (hammered) down in. The only thing that is on the inside is threads for the screws.

Just screw a cap screw with a nut on it into the insert at least 5 or six turns. Tighten down nut; unscrew insert with cap screw. But, if it is epoxied in you are probably going to have to drill it. Otherwise this ought to do it.