keith, where did I say give up semi-autos? Where to give up the assaults and Obama and Biden would go away? Evidence, please. I said I don't favour them but I said also that I recognized the principle involved in protecting them. I've said I support the 2nd. Where in god's name do you find defeatism? Measuring where Washington likely to act arbitrarily---capriciously, unrestrained, despotically---and where it would face fierce dissent is prudent in allocating resources. Choose your battles, rarely do warriors win all of them. Canadians are still agitating for improvements.

Your messages appear as from one who hasn't been involved directly in action of what it takes to beat back grabbers other than a NRA membership. (And that antagonizing NRA comment while the nation mourning was no service to our cause, as I said here at the time. Better that the NRA would consider what Obama proposing and it would respond in good time in the country's best interests etc.) Unwarranted inflaming of public opinion is a mistake, and in confrontations of this kind, it's the faux pas that can kill you. Some November dandies come to mind.