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Donations to the NRA is the ONLY way. The NRA is the only thing I donate to anymore. The NRA is my church and my religion. If we lose any part of our 2nd ammendment all else is lost and the idiot libtards better realize it. I'm proud to be one of those "clingers" president zero hates.

I'd feel better about 2nd protection if our side stopped shooting itself in the foot with the makes-no-difference between 10 and larger magazines, cross-messaging of the worst kind. The antis are saying if the difference is 6-8 seconds what's the problem of excluding the 10-plus?

What's wrong?
It's "feel good" legislation period. And that's aside from the fact that there are untold millions of 10+ round magazines already in circulation that are untracable. I've been around firearms my whole life and the only real shooting advantage with high capacity magazines is with full-auto military firarms examples. What would you propose the government do in regard to these million already in existance?
Do you really think people would voluntarily turn them in?

MOLON LABE

Jim

It's the mixed-messaging that concerns me, Jim, not the facts you mention to which everyone here agrees. Anything that gives leverage to the antis is no consolation to me.

Doug,

I don't know the history here, but I know it is possible for people to wake up after a long sleep. Even on the subguns forum there were people who bashed the recent R candidate and swore we had nothing to fear from O on gun control - I'm just not one to administer comeuppance at a time like this.

I fully agree concerning NRA. Money is important, so is membership. Every person in my household is now a life member, and I convinced two others to become life members. I wish every firearm owner in the US would join.

Sam

Sam,

I also wish EVERY gun owner in this country would join the NRA and contribute.......It would definitely help........

The people still in a deep sleep, as you say, who voted for and support Obongo, thus voting to destroy our great nation, piece by piece, disgust me.......the ones that lie about it, disgust me even more......

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"Even on the subguns forum there were people who bashed the recent R candidate and swore we had nothing to fear from O on gun control"

I hate to keep repeating this but keep one thing in mind. Not everyone on a firearms forum is truly a defender of our 2nd Amendment rights. We have had our share of trolls on this forum doing anything to keep factual information of what Obama was and is up to as buried as possible. It's a common ploy on firearms forums and one the administration here thankfully didn't fall for.
Jim

We've told you and the other lullers how acquiescing to a reduced magazine ban makes a difference on many occasions. How long do you think it will be before some nut-bar shoots a bunch of innocents in a school or theatre using multiple handguns and multiple 10 round magazines? The Obama administration has been extremely lax in prosecuting prohibited persons who have attempted to buy guns through legal sources. They are clearly after law abiding gun owners and I believe they don't prosecute these illegal attempted buyers because they really want killings to occur so they can advance their agenda. How else would you explain it? He keeps telling us that we need his new restrictions if it will only save a few lives. So why this glaring sin of omission King?

The predictable incrementalist gun banner response will be to call for restrictions on handguns and further reductions in magazine capacity. Then when that doesn't work, they will go after pump shotguns or anything with a magazine. Then when that doesn't work, the hue and cry will be to ban all repeaters, including our doubles. The end game for Obama and his kind is the total elimination of the Second Amendment and private ownership of firearms. He has said so with his own mouth, so fake photo-op pictures of him shooting a shotgun are nothing more than a Democrat I.Q. test to me. Anyone who believes that is stupid, pure and simple.

How many times does the scenario have to be played out around the world before you understand that if we give an inch, they will take 37 miles?

The origins of this thread remind me of the scene at a gun show I attended a couple weeks ago. Multiple lines formed around the buildings long before the doors opened. A sea of humanity crowded in to stock up on guns and magazines and ammunition. And I thought, if only half of these fools had looked at the facts and voted for anyone but Obama, we wouldn't be in a mad rush to stock up on commodities (at highly inflated prices) that we have a civil right to posess. I agree we need to stick together at times like this, but when will we learn that times like this keep arising because so many gun owners are so damn gullible?

Keith, I'd suggest that "they really want killings to occur" puts you in the same tinfoil hat crowd as those who believe Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, or that our own govt did it, or that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. I would explain "it"--the non-prosecution of those prohibited who attempt to buy guns and are stopped by the background check--as nothing all that unusual if you look at the legal system as a whole. Plea bargains. Back in Iowa, where I used to live, they just had a trial for a man who scammed investors out of 200 million plus. Guilty, maximum penalty: 50 years, no parole. It got a lot of publicity both because of the extent of the scam and because the perp got the max penalty. What that says is that others, who don't scam to the same degree, maybe get no prison time (plea bargain) or a significantly reduced sentence. Happens all the time in the legal world.

What can be done, in the case of further gun laws, is to point out--as is being pointed out in the suggested immigration reform--that enforcing existing laws needs to come first. Put pressure on prosecutors to place more emphasis on people trying to buy guns illegally than, say, on those who get busted for one marijuana joint. But I don't think we should assume that this administration wants to see more killings so they can promote an anti-gun agenda, any more than the left should have assumed that Bush was in on 9/11 so he could go invade Iraq.

Gentlemen,

Did any of you read the document at the link below. It so clearly states in documented references WHY we have the 2nd Amendment! In this document you will learn exactly what type of militia the 2nd Amendment allows. That is Joe American with his own "service rifle" who is not under the control of a state's Governor. Today that service rifle would be a semi-auto AR or AK with 30 round magazines!

Do the research and then discuss rather than make emotional decisions such as the anti-gunners do.

Mark