I've been loading the Remington STS green 12-gauge hull with a Remington 209P primer, 16.4 grains of Clays, Remington TGT12S wad and 7/8 ounce of shot, for nearly ten years and have been very pleased with it in all of my old 12-gauge doubles. In the gold hulls I pump it up to 18.4 grains and 1 ounce of shot for wooble skeet and sporting clays with my Superposeds.