i have to wonder what determines handmade versus machine made or is it determined on the cosmetic apperance of the guns itself. i think for instance take the fox model B sxs if they had done a few changes to the appearance of the gun it would have been a completely differant gun at no cost to the manufacturer. for instance no serial# on the frame body, no stamped checkering, no phillip screw on the top rib,a curved trigger guard. an option of a straight stock,no history of savage arms and guage stamped on the barrels it belongs on the water table. it offered everthing from single trigger to automatic ejectors. it could have competed with many well made guns with a little attention and possibly even been in the same catagory as the lc smith for not being hand made, i think it was an opporpunity lost. i guess the so called hand made english and european guns will forever fascinate us and those fortunate enough to afford them will praise there superioity and handling grace as being hand made. but im sure those of us that hunt with the fox or smith or stevens never give the thought as whether its hand made or not. just my thoughts on the subject.