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That is nice Doc Drew. I wonder if larger patterns were a lower grade originally. Less labor and likely quicker and easier to work with larger rods, ribbands, less welds, etc.
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Steve could comment Craig. Certainly the Turks (or Bulgarian or Walloons doing the work) could make small scrolls in the 1600s as shown from the Miquelet barrel. Early 'English Two Stripe' had very large scrolls, likely by choice to stand out from Belgian damas crolle' The skill and artistry in creating symmetric tiny scrolls petite roses ou des coquillages is truly amazing 
Last edited by Drew Hause; 03/16/13 09:44 AM.
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The skill and artistry in creating symmetric tiny scrolls petite roses ou des coquillages is truly amazing I believe so too Doc Drew. I'd guess many more chances for something to go wrong. I wonder if the quality, cleanliness, of the steel and iron improved. Larger and more inclusions probably needed more forging to minimize the effects of possible weak spots. I appreciate your updates.
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Hey Guys,
Been a little busy around here, so I'm slow answering your questions.
The difference in the size of the damascus pattern in the two examples Drew posted is primarily that the 'English Two Stripe' is welded of two rods/irons and the "petite roses ou des coquillages" is six rod/iron. It's simply a matter of the pattern created by two irons covering a given area, vs. the pattern created by six irons covering the same amount of space.
There is a very minor difference in the number of layer/alternees used in the two patterns. The English Two stripe has about 23 layers and the Petite Rose has about 25 layers. The small difference in the layers count has a minor effect on the pattern, but not so much as the rod/iron count in the ribband. It would be possible to weld these two patterns from identical rod/irons and have them turn out looking very much the same as they do in these images.
Craig is likely correct in that the larger patterns were for lower grade guns. Just less labor required to weld the ribbands. I dont believe the quality of the iron and steel had much to do with the choice of the pattern size.
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