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"I keep a smile on my face and truth in my heart. I discredit today's bullshit today and then move on, hoping but not expecting, that one day, in the face of relentless accuracy, she will see the error of her ways ( the trying to lie to me part ) and make a change for the better. The only thing i demand is that she be the best mother she can be. I am suggesting we take the same approach here"

Canvasback:
I agree this would be an excellent approach if the anti libtards like nca225 ever tried posting some facts which they invariably don't do. When you support the side of an issue such as gun control that's obviously wrong when the real facts are examined by anyone above the moron level in intelligence you're going to avoid doing so like the plague.
"Gun Control" is very obviously based upon a position of people control to achieve socialist ends which is to disarm the population to further socialist goals.
What they do instead is attack people like me when we post facts that either expose or refute their position. I was on the receiving end of posts like Keith cited above because they can only do this, try to change the subject or try to ignore you.
If the so called "mainstream news media" were to relate the real facts about "gun control" so that the general public wouldn't be mislead the proponents would be laughed off the air.
Keith: In reflecting on your point that this thread should be left here I've come to agree with you that it should. Let those on this forum who don't want to get involved see just how bizarre and vindictive the anti's really are. Perhaps this will encourage those on the sidelines to become more actively involved in this major struggle were in to preserve our rights.
Jim

More food for thought to those with their heads in the sand.

"we want everything on the table"

Jim, I firmly believe repeating the facts, ad nauseum, and finding different, more acceptable ways to say the same thing is the only way we will have the right to own guns privately in 50 years. We have listened to 40 years of lies about guns and gun owners. That has had a huge effect on the average non gun owner's opinions about guns and gun ownership. We will not win the war of words that we must wage by belittling or name calling. It will be won by a relentless focus on an emotional position that is bolstered by facts and by doing so find common ground with those who are not gun owners.

We have had our asses kicked by the other side for 40 years. Gun ownership BY HOUSEHOLD in the US is at a historical low of less that 35%, down from over 50% not too long ago.

For example, there is a case to be made from focus groups conducted in Canada, that gun owners can find common cause with university age, urban women. Because we both share the belief that we shouldn't have to submit to the unfair judgement of others for our own, private and legal activities and behaviors.

We need to stop responding to the gun grabbers. That leaves them dictating the terms of the debate. Discredit their point and then drop them. I don't argue with 4 year olds, or those that think like 4 year olds. I tell them the facts and move on.

We need to get waaayyyyy more sophisticated in our messaging. Keith is right, we should all join the NRA. But at the same time, the NRA needs to get better at messaging to the broader public.

The following aired on 20/20 in 2007. That's MSM. We need to ask ourselves "What do we have to do to get more of this on TV?" Freaking out because some idiot reporter in Washington broke stupid Washington laws about magazine capacity on his TV show may be satisfying but it doesn't win converts. This report from John Stossel does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

Jim, that may be true for those crafting the message. The politicians and the media. But it is not true for the millions of people who believe them when they are told guns are the problem. We need to stop worrying about the end game for socialist politicians and consider how to get Mr and Mrs Average AND THEIR CHILDREN back on our side.

The NRA has been so villified by the media that the mere mention that I'm a NRA member makes many people think I'm an extremist. There's a perception problem that the NRA has to fix. Otherwise, the NRA is part of the problem.

Absolutely Chuck. That is so true. What the NRA should do with every dime it gets from its members is find and hire a media/advertising/marketing company of the caliber of....say the one that does Nike's stuff, and change the nature of the discussion.

Canvasback, in my very first post within this thread, I said that I think hypocrisy is the lowest form of dishonesty and deception. I still feel that way, and most especially when it masquerades itself under a thin veneer of faux civility. The approach you take with your ex for the sake of stability in your sons life is admirable, and hopefully one that works out well. I've seen that approach backfire to the point where the kids turned (at least temporarily) against the better and more honest parent, but in time, the kids are usually able to figure things out and the situation is reversed.

So it is on larger scale issues such as gun control. But where a childs feelings and loyalties may turn on a dime, even if it is heartbreaking in the interim, the damages done after ineffective knee-jerk legislation often takes decades to reverse. Jim makes an excellent point above where he says, "Gun control is very obviously based upon a position of PEOPLE CONTROL to achieve socialist ends which is to disarm the population to further socialist goals." Most of this people control is based on dishonesty and lies which are repeated so forcefully and so often that they are eventually accepted by a majority of the people.

That's why some of us have been so vehement in calling out the lies and misinformation provided here by some of our resident Liberal leftists and anti-gun trolls. Ditto for the hypocrites who say one thing and do another... and who can always dish it out but can't take it. Some of them have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that they still believe Obama is not a threat to the Second Amendment. Gnomoron is still saying that our warnings of Obama's anti-gun proclivities are conspiracy nut theories... even as it's happening! Take a look at the quote I provided from homer. He gets much of his information and ideas from Morning Joe and MSNBC. I myself watch MSNBC frequently, and am always astounded at the lies and misinformation given there. Right after one of the Debates, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Chairperson of the DNC made the claim that Romney did not care about Israel because he never even once mentioned them. FOX News replayed clips from the Debates where Romney spoke about Israel fourteen times! People like homer believe those lies and will never be dissuaded, no matter what we say or how nicely we say it. They also repeat those lies and influence folks who don't watch any news, but still vote. Just enough gun owners actually believed that Obama supported the RKBA, and believed (for the second time)he would put a priority on improving employment and the economy. Then you have a few percent who would vote for Satan as long as it kept the government handouts coming. Add in a little voter fraud (see my thread on today's news of voter fraud in the battleground state of Ohio in Misfires), and you end up with the assault we're facing now. Lies have consequences!

I also said in my first post here that the only people I mean to offend are those who are offensive or deceptive. I still feel that way. I can start out by engaging them with facts or logic, but I just don't have time to continually engage in a civil debate with liars and poseurs who pretend to support gun rights but constantly undermine them by disseminating incorrect information, lulling, and drumming up support for avowed anti-gun politicians. While it might seem nice to engage them in polite discourse, to continue on that path long after you've provided evidence that they're wrong only gives them credence and legitimacy. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is one of the definitions of insanity. The truth is never rude, and dishonesty is not civility.

Read this statement and think about it for a minute. The NRA is not part of the problem. The problem, as Chuck has noted, is an NRA that has been villified by a dishonest media, just as gun owners have been villified by the formula prescribed by Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder. Does anyone really think you or the NRA can reverse that by kow-towing to liars or by dealing with the devil? Time to wake up!

I agree, its not the NRA thats the problem,there is no way the liberal-controlled by the administration media is ever going to put the NRA,or its members in any positive light.


The Newtown tragedy which bought out all the anti gun plans that had been "stored" for just the right time-to exploit the deaths of children to further the goal.None of what has been proposed by the left would have stopped it.The NRA had the right solution and its being done in many more schools now.Armed protection for ALL the schools not the 1/3 of the elite.

Universal back round checks-registration,mag bans AW bans do nothing but provide a path to tax and future confiscation.
The NRA had it right,
"The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

DaveK is exactly right! There is a recipe or formula that is being used on us, and the media lies, fake polls, and dissemination of inaccurate information is very intentional. Remember Raum Emmanual's words, "You never let a crisis go to waste..."

Read "Rules For Radicals" by Saul Aulinsky, one of Obama's mentors and decide if you want to become unwitting pawns in their game. The end game is the elimination of the private ownership of firearms in the U.S. If you deal with the devil, the devil will win every time as he is very patient and cunning.

To get back on topic... just think... if our friend Last Dollar had not folded his tent, he might be here screaming that I'm a conspiracy nut and that HIS thread now belongs in Misfires! Thanks for letting this play out Dave Weber. This too shall pass.