Back in the day when there was no steel shot, we would periodically use 3" #4 Buck for Geese. This was always field shooting for Whitefronts. As I recall, there were 41 pellets to the load and this was a kill or miss type of affair. All it would take is one pellet to kill a Goose out to 100 yards. We would usually have a box of 5 in the bag for those windless days late in the season when the Geese were on oxygen. Otherwise, I would never shoot past 60 yards, even with BB's.