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well, some nut or nuts just shot up the mothers day parade in new orleans...maybe its time to offer a compromise on the background check issue?

but first, here are some facts:

a. none of the firearms used in the mass murders of the last few years were obtained illegally. meaning that all owners of these firearms passed federally mandated back ground checks.

b. all of the firearms used in these mass murders were of the center fire, semi automatic, high capacity magazine type.

c. most records of treatment of individuals for mental health issues are not included in the federal background check data base.

here is a compromise:

1. repeal the Johnson era firearms act of 1968 and the Clinton era firearms act of 1993, aka the brady bill.

2. replace them with a universal back ground check law for only those firearms described in b. above.

3. encourage mental health professionals to report treatment data, on a selective basis, for those individuals whom they consider to be a potential danger to society. that data would be added to the national back ground check data base and would be the trigger for a 90 delay for approval of firearms acquisition.

what do you think?

If some of our laws might be repealed, I'd stop right there. Once someone starts talking about new laws, all I know is you're a advocate for more ideological divide. Look who would write, sign, enforce and interpret the 'new law'.

Craig, you nailed the problem with compromise. Those who write, sign, interpret and enforce "compromise" legislation are only those who would ban guns outright.

When one side gives up something and the other side gains something, that's not a compromise, that's an incremental win for one side.

Compromise is a Trojan Horse unless both sides, in writing, agree not to pursue anything more.

Canvasback,
Even if they agree in writting not to ask for anything else, the next congress will claim they are not bound by the agreement and will hit us again anyway.
Mike

does anyone agree that repeal of the firearms acts of 1968 and 1993 are steps in the right direction? if so, then you gotta come up with a replacement background check law. otherwise, you will never get the votes for repeal.

Are you sure that's the only option. How about print a hundred billion a month instead of 85 billion a month and 'invest' the extra 15 bil in more welfare. That might swing a few votes, maybe change hearts and minds for a week or two.

Very true Mike. Hence my position for no compromise.

It puts us in a bind, because truly, I believe some people shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Primarily those with evidenced mental health issues and convicted criminals.

But at the same time, having been victimized by the legal system and lawyers for being a gun owner when I found out my wife had been cheating on me with a close friend, I don't put much faith in the even handed application of potential rules by the socialist/feminist cartel of lawyers and activists that run our governments and the legal system.

Until we find a way to change the public perception of gun owners, away from the now 50 years of vilification by activists, elected officials and the media, every rule enacted will be twisted to screw us over.

I'd like to be able to support what Ed is talking about but real world experience tells me not to. It will be used against me.

My default position on any issue regarding governments is that they will waste money and their bureaucracy and policing will constantly infringe on my true rights. So my default response is to be against any and all government tax and fee increases, no matter the justification, because the money will be wasted. And to oppose every single new law, because there are enough now to do all that is necessary.

A key problem is we send politicians to work with the idea they are "lawnmakers". So what do they do? They make laws? Doesn't matter if the laws are needed, they are there to make them, so they do. We should start referring to politicians not as lawmakers but perhaps as "stewards" of our government and legal systems. There to oversee and ensure good management.

But stop with the lawmaking crap. You've had 250 years of it and we are close to 150 years. Enough is enough.

I have a bett4er compromise.

We buy the lefties a one way ticket to some other socialist Utopia....and they agree to never return here. Any that remain get marched at gunpoint to the Mexican Border...and see how well they are recieved headed that direction.

Then the rest of us get to live happily ever after.

You have good (no pun intended here) ideas, BUT the problem is, we would be entrusting the new legislation in DisneyLand on the Potomac to re-draft those two idiotic (Johnson 1968- a Democrat) and Slick Willie 1993, also a Democrat- both very Liberal as well- and what do we have at 1600 nowadays and in Congress- BINGO-- will the current squawk about the Gestapo/IRS moves against the Tea Party gruops bring about impeachment of Barracks-Bag-Boy and his crew? I doubt it--so we are, as LBJ once said about his FUBARs that got us embroiled in the Vietnam War-- "Like a hitch-hiker caught on the open highway in a Texas hailstorm-- no where to run, no place to hie, no way out"__

Ed,...

First, the Yo-Yo demented teenager in Newtown, CT "borrowed his mothers gun without permission"...I think that qualifies as "stealing"..?

Let's see now, here are some MORE facts, .....New Orleans you say,

The shooter has been identified as Ak-ieeeen Scott, 19 year old Negro. A Police news report says that Scott has BEEN PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED FOR: ILLEGAL CARRYING OF A WEAPON, ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A STOLEN FIREARM, RESISTING AN OFFICER, POSSESSION OF CONTRABAND IN JAIL, ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM WHILE IN POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST....POSSESSION OF HEROIN.....

SO.......

With a stolen firearm, on drugs, with a long wrap sheet and without a job, IS IT LIKELY THAT MR. AK-IEEEEN SCOTT DID NOT DO THE NICS CHECK THINGY.... WHATTA YA THINK....?.....

Somewhere, Sometime, Somehow, Someone MUST CALL A SPADE A SPADE AND STOP THE P.C. DANCING AROUND THE "FACTS"...... Anyone with an I.Q. over 40 and anyone who has the perception to connect the dots....knows that this crime, like thousands before it IS NOTHING NEW......Same old shit, different day......Years and years of hard statistics bear these facts to be true....

SO WILL THE LIBTARDS PLEASE STAND UP AND EXPLAIN THE BEST WAY TO "LEGISLATE" AGAINST STOLEN GUNS, ERIC HOLDER AND THE MAGIC NEGRO WANT TO KNOW....

Nothing new about the guns, the victims, the shooters or the way that the gun was "stolen"....end of story.....It is just another scene from a Tarzan movie.......and it repeats over and over every night in our major ghetto crime ridden cities,..... BUT ALAS, IN CHICAGO THEY WANT MORE GUN CONTROL TO STOP THE NEEDLESS SHOOTINGS WITH STOLEN GUNS, WHAT A REVELATION, LOL......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/14/new-orleans-police-id-suspect-in-mother-day-parade-shooting/