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...universal back ground checks on certain semi auto firearms in exchange for repeal of the gun control acts of 1968 and 1993. if the pro gun politicians could accomplish that via compromise with the anti gun politicians, then that would be a good thing? Leaving aside the fact that the '68 GCA will never be repealed, ever - what you suggest is defining a certain group of firearms as deserving of tighter restrictions than other firearms. In effect, government saying "this gun is bad but that gun is OK". Which is something I cannot agree with as no gun is worse than any other, they're inanimate objects incapable of morality, either good or bad. Whether any firearm is used for good or evil is entirely dependent on the person whose hand is holding said gun. Yes, I realize government has already started this by making it extremely difficult (not to mention prohibitively expensive) to own a full-auto, but taking another step down that same road is not a direction I want to go. Will anti-gun politicians not seek to blame double shotguns if one is used in the next mass killing? Would the victims be somehow less dead if they're not killed with a semi-auto rifle but with a double shotgun firing 00 buck? To the hoplophobes all guns are evil, and to believe that they will give us a permanent pass on hunting rifles and shotguns in return for compromising on black rifles is naļve at best. JonR, Excellent post! Thank you.
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Ed, my semi-namesaked NH town friend (Live Free or Die?) what the other lads here, and myself as well, are trying to suggest to you is the wisdom of the old axiom- "Give 'em an inch and they'll steal a mile from you" In a perfect world, where gun regs were established by the NRA and not the Liberal retards who think ALL guns are evil things, your case makes sense. Unfortunately, we don't, nor never will, live in such a utopia--
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Where in the heck did my post go? Or did I back out without saving it?
In any case....if two guys show up for a game of cards....and one leaves with far more than he came with (the gun grabbers)...and the other leaves with empty pockets (The Gun owners)...then its NOT a comprimise.
WHat exactly are the gun grabbers giving up that they actually have now thats at least equal in value to what they want us to give up?
And in the end if our right to own whatever guns we want is lessened...then we lost..and they won.
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The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree, and think 25 to life would be Appropriate.
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Ed,
With the state of our society and the never before levels of:
1.) massive radical liberal mentality running rampant.
2.) massive drug dependence & usage running rampant unchecked and rising.
3.) massive illegal immigration running rampant and rising.
4.) massive violent gang inner city crimes on the rise.
5.) massive unemployment on the rise.
6.) massive inflation & government spending rising uncontrolled.
7.) massive rising food stamp and government dependent mooches out of control.
8.) massive out of control Hollywood production of videos inflating the "thrill of mass shooting and death" brainwashing young people.
So, with just these few that I have noted here, you are in favor of repealing the GCA of 1968 and ALLOWING THE UNCONTROLLED INTERSTATE mailing of ALL guns to inner city, unemployed, criminal and mentally unstable people, wherever they may be, WITHOUT ANY TRACKING OF ANY SORT..?.. That would be really lighting the fuse I'm afraid, however wonderful you may think it sounds.
Is this what you mean..?..
As noted above by others, hang out in Detroit for a spell and see if that would be wise, or Chicago, L.A., Boston, New York, Miami, Atlanta etc.
This will never happen number one, and as paraphrased above, under our current social state, UNDER "CURRENT" SOCIETAL CONDITIONS IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN....DANGEROUS TO SAY THE LEAST.
Because of Libtards and their "continual progressive" destruction of the cohesion and honor in society in this country, we are no longer a responsible society like we were pre 1968 unfortunately....
We should stand firm and give up nothing, change nothing and add nothing to the 2nd amendment.
Doug
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Hey Ed, I already told you that what you propose is fantasy. First of all, the Clinton (so-called) Assault Weapon bans have already sun-setted as originally mandated by law. So you would have us trade Universal Backround checks on semi-autos and giving up large cap magazines for what... something that is already gone??? I knew that without Googling anything... how did you miss that news? If the anti-gunners had their way, those bans would be reinstated with many more firearms added to the list. They have every intention of persuing that goal. It's fantasy and insanity to think they will just give up on that in the spirit of compromise.
Second, I, and others have already explained that they will never go back to the pre-1968 days when you could buy rifles, shotguns, and revolvers without any backround check or waiting periods, and you could even buy them from mail order dealers and have them shipped direct to your home. You gotta be on crack to be thinking otherwise. So why propose giving up our rights for something that will never ever happen. You only look weak when you propose crap like this.
Third, anyone with even half a brain understands by now, after half a century of attacks and the loss of firearms rights here and abroad, that the anti-gunners hate us and they hate the Second Amendment. They are all about incrementally taking away our rights. They look for any tragedy or any opportunity to advance their agenda. They smell weakness and you are smelling pretty weak right now. The rest of us aren't voluntarily giving up anything. Our Civil 2nd Amendment Rights aren't for sale or trade. Not even a little bit.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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sounds like the compromise of giving in to universal background checks on a certain class of firearms in exchange for elimination of virtually all other firearms possession regulations at the federal level aint the kind of deal you guys would ever wish to consider...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Sounds like you've been huffing the acetylene since you quit torch coloring shotguns.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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pa: as for your point about interstate sales, yes, all firearms not meeting all three tests of being semi auto, center fire and hi cap mag could be legally transferred without benefit of dealer involvement. it means anyone could legally acquire firearms such as revolvers, bolt action rifles and most shotguns without anyones knowledge or approval at the federal level. state laws would still apply...you know, sorta like what the 2nd and 10th amendments are all about.
Last edited by ed good; 05/14/13 04:37 PM.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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keith: what makes you think I quit? just did one the other night...ah the sweet smell of burning urine and steel...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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it means anyone could legally acquire firearms such as revolvers, bolt action rifles and most shotguns without anyones knowledge or approval at the federal level. Ed, It is not realistic, unfortunately. You know all the reasons.
Doug
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