doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com My time has come & I need help with this....

Randy,
I am a class 3 dealer in Nebraska. If you need the name of a class 3 in ohio I can find you some. If you are not a ffl or c&r licensee, the sbs would have to be transfered through a class 3 dealer(unless it is in your state)If you have a c&r license and the firearm you are wanting is also a c&r then the firearm can transfer directly to you from out of state with no class 3 dealer involved. If you find a sbs in your state it could transfer to you directly without a c&r or class 3 dealer.

There will be a tax on the transfer from an individual to a class 3, then from the class 3 to you(two taxes). If the sbs is in a class 3 dealers inventory then there would be only one transfer tax to you.

The forms are downloadable online. I will check tomorrow and make sure ohio is a nfa state. Some states dont allow machine guns, some dont allow sbs (short barreled shotguns).
Its kind of a hassle but kind of fun too.
Ross

If the gun has not been registered and taxed before, I don't think you are out of business yet. I think a "manufacturer of class 3 weapons" can add it to his inventory and transfer it to legal status. Ross, am I right or wrong?

If the gun wasnt registered it cannot be registered. Even as a 07/02 SOT manufacturer I can take a existing non nfa shotgun and "make" a short barreled shotgun out of it and register it but, I cannot register a nfa weapon that wasnt originally registered. There was an amnesty in 1968 where they allowed people to register weapons in their posession but since then you are out of luck.

If you dont care about having an original, you could have a class 2 build you a SBS from an existing shotgun. Then you could even have it engraved to a 4E or something. If you are capable of building it yourself you can pay the tax and fill out the proper forms and when approved by atf you can build it yourself.

Why can't a "Class 2" build an Auto Burglar out of an Auto Burglar? Is it because he can't take the chance of having the Auto Burglar before he gets the papers processed? I sold an 11" barrel Miroku 20 gauge to a Class 2 and he made it into a saleable gun with papers. How did he do it? Did he violate a law?

You could build an auto burglar out of a auto burglar but it couldnt have the original barrels on it. To register a nfa weapon you have to be the manufacturer of it. An auto burglar that no longer has its barrels is just a receiver and could be mated with some barrels(not the original) and registered by a class2. If the original barrels were on the gun a strong case could be made that you were in possesion of an unregistered weapon and that you registered it even though you were not the manufacturer.

Be careful what you talk about on an open forum. It would be considered unlawful to possess an unregistered short barreled shotgun or a registered one without a proper transfer.

I'm a little confused. It's illegal to possess a shotgun with a barrel(s) less than 18". It's apparently O.K. to possess a shotgun with barrels less than 18" if the barrels are welded shut, smashed or in some way made inoperable? What about just the barrel(s) WITHOUT THE RECEIVER? I ask because I own a nice high grade double that is complete except for barrels. It's an oddball make and the only set of barrels I have found for it were 15". I thought about buying them to have sleeved, but passed because of the length being illegal. Was the guy who owned the barrels without the rest of the gun a criminal? If not,would I have become a criminal when purchasing the barrels, since I owned a receiver that would have possibly fit the barrels? Just curious.

The barrels aren't a firearm so no problem. Having them in the same place as a receiver that they fit is a problem.

That's what I was going to say but Bob beat me to it. Just get a Howdah gun. Good luck!!