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Oh, one more thing.... 13.25 inches to the factory black butt plate... does that seem short for the LOP on this gun? That's to the front trigger.

Oh, and it's for sure extractors, not ejectors.

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13.25" LOP is shorter than typical for uncut Lefevers, but this is not totally out of the question. There were a lot more grown men closer to 5 feet tall than there are today, and it could have been ordered that way. The original buttplate would be an L.A.Co. monogram buttplate, and the wood would have a curved cut to meet the curved buttplate. Look for signs that the border on the buttplate has been dressed down to fit a shortened stock.


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Hey guys, here are some quick photos of the gun. It's really a nice one. Everything is tight. Bores are shiny and clean with just a few marks here and there. Nothing deep. Gun is tight and on face. Functions as it should.

The butt plate is the original and on the face that joins the stock looks unaltered. The stock has no stampings under the butt plate (should there be a serial number there?) It seems to have more curve to it in real life than in this photo. I don't have another lefever to compare it to. Thoughts on if it's been cut?

What percentages would you give the remaining case colors and bbl etching? I never know exactly how to say what condition guns are. No time like the present to learn!

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Oops... couple photos got left off.


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The stock is probably cut as the factory wood is a bit concave as is the plate. Heating the plate allows bending, so when wood is cut, the plate is flattened to match. A slip on pad should get you out to the length you want with no further alterations needed.

Looks like a very nice gun.

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Thanks Terry, I actually don't mind a short stock terribly. One of the guns I shoot the best is a little Nitro Special 20 gauge that's barely 13 inches to the front trigger. It's a great gun in the tight woods of South Louisiana. Two years ago I went three for three on woodcock with it. A feat I imagine I won't repeat soon.

A nice leather slip on pad might be a nice touch for the club though.

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Lefever serial number, different on both barrels, usually mean the gun was rebarrelled or some replacement was done later than the manufacture of the gun. This gun may have been barrelled with the original serial number, and soon after, another set of barrels was selected for final assembly and shipping. The lower number (the barrel not matching the rest of the gun) could have been the number assigned to the final replacement barrels. If the lower number had been a mistake, they would not have left it in place. I would be buying this gun for $600.

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That could be EB. But the lower number has been filled with solder at some point and I think the finish has worn off of it faster than the rest of the bbl. Plus would they have gone backwards in serial numbers? I suppose it's possible.

Anyhow, I like the gun... headed out to shoot it now and it'll stick around..... unless I find some poor guy with a 16 who wishes it was a 12!

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Going backwards. Would mean that lower number parts were in inventory when switch was requested, probably before the gun left the factory. Or what you suggest, an error. Why don't you ask on the Lefever forum where the Lefever experts hang out?

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I posted this at the Lefever site before remembering this thread. I was recently and briefly shown a Lefever book. I am unsure of the title since the book was already open to a page. A picture on that page depicted a higher grade with “double stamp” that was described as an indication of factory work/repair.

The following photo demonstrates the different, but sequential, serial numbers on this G stamped with different tools. It seems to resemble the H in this thread in that 45656 G seems to be filled with solder as Kutter described.




I don’t necessarily agree with 8b’s first point that would have us discussing in this thread alone several surviving examples of replaced barrels. I am surprised though that a gun would have to be stamped this way after factory repair.

The following photo could be considered evidence of factory work in that serial 45656 could have been stamped on the extractor (you should be able click on the picture to zoom) as a replacement. The more likely explanation has to be related to 8B’s second point “This gun may have been barrelled with the original serial number, and soon after, another set of barrels was selected for final assembly and shipping.”




Kutter‘s theory would have barrel set, with extractors, stamped 45656 prior to assembly. A change in plans leads 45656 action being fitted with a different set of barrels and barrel set 45656 being set aside and fit to the next one down the line 45657. All other parts are stamped or engraved 45657.

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