In all my Remingtons from 1873, 1882, 1889's, and 1894's, the chokes start 7" back from the muzzle. They all have keels and touch. Both my 1889's are the " light weight " model 12 gauges that have a milled water table and barrel flats. On the right side of the water table in the milled area there is a number 2 stamped which I believe is the grade. Mine have twist barrels and no engraving and that makes them a grade 2. Paul

Last edited by Paul Harm; 07/27/13 01:34 PM.