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Doverham--You've got a gun with a double St. Etienne proof (mark seen twice on each barrel in front of the flats) and with factory 2 3/4" (70mm) chambers. The chamber length would lead me to speculate that it's perhaps more likely to be a post-WWII gun than one from between the wars years. Acier diamant = diamond steel. Pretty much like the different names for the steel Parker used in its doubles. Should indicate higher quality steel.
What you found on Helice, Helicobloc etc is a good explanation of the situation. There are a lot of French guns out there not made by V-C which use the same system, or perhaps minor variations of it.
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Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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Nice restock, Doverham. I've just been doing some research on V-C guns. Have owned a couple in the past, but never one with sideplates. I recall that Steve Barnett had a V-C sidelock for sale a few years back, great condition. You don't see many of those. Thought about chasing it a few times, never did.
Rene Fonck, WWI Spad pilot and surviving ace of aces (from both sides--75 kills), shot a V-C Helice gun. He gave the gun high marks.
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Last edited by Doverham; 03/30/13 05:49 PM.
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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That's a nice looking gun, quite similar to the one Barnett had as best I can recall--but priced about 50% higher.
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Paul is looking for a bit of info on this Belgian made sidelock with Helicobloc and VERCAR(Verney-Carron) on the toplever. JNO. HY. ANDREW & CO. LTD. TOLEDO STEEL WORKS SHEFFIELD One doesn't see that many of the Andrew Toledo Steel tubes so I wonder if there was just one outlet in Liege. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=200594&page=1I have seen some sketchy info that the Helicobloc VERCAR might fall under a 1924 patent by Verney - Carron. Another topic of interest is regarding the stop on the left side of the toplever. Did the V-C Helicobloc VERCAR cover a toplever stop also. It is seen on just a few sporting weapons and Paul has an A. Cordy with such. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Antoine Cordy w/ toplever stop on frame. The V-C at Osprey also has the same stop Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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JNO. HY. ANDREW & CO. LTD. TOLEDO STEEL WORKS SHEFFIELD 1899 Australian trademark - 1st trademark more than likely filed in 1898. 1902 U.S. of A. advert. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey - that is an interesting gun, minimal engraving but a fancy trigger guard inlay, rounded front lump and disc-set strikers. It also looks to be one of a pair(?). I don't have the information on hand unfortunately but I can post some information on the Helicobloc patent in a few days from one of their catalogs.
The top-lever stop is present on m V-C as well.
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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Have you noticed the toplever stop prior and what do you know about it? Is it V-C related or is it touted in their catalgoue?
Kind Regards,
Raimey rse
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