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The heel to toe measurement does vary with LOP. A great article in "Technicana" on it. We made templates for different LOPs according to Davids drawings and description. Interesting stuff.
I have had many actions re-colored, but never just for the colors. I do lots of custom work which often includes preparing an action for engraving, annealing so tangs can be bent, etc. I would never suggest it to client just to add colors, but it is often required in the work I do. One does need to understand both the risks and the techniques(hard fitting) used to correct any warping. Steve
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Refinishing a stock, restocking, re-cutting engraving and/or re-blacking barrels all to a new appearance, without re-case coloring is half-assed,IMO. To each his own.
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Yes SKB, I have read that too, but the measurement they quote is 5 1/8 to 5 5/8. As an avg I used 5 1/4. So the point is if you cut a stock this heel to toe measurement will NOT be in proportion especially if a lot of wood, say 1.5 inches is cut from an original stock. That was the point I was trying to make. Man, you gunsmiths are a tough crowd.
Socialism is almost the worst.
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Diggory, I have a project gun in the white right now. It will be lightly engraved, after some filing for a non original look. How would you finish such a gun after this work? Thanks for replying.
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Buzz, not try to be tough. If you notice on your second post you mention a wide range, not a fixed dimension. All I was trying to point out is that dimension varies with LOP.
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I discussed this recently with Robin Brown of AA Brown. He is, in my opinion one of the very best at colour case hardening, though not as lauded as the St Ledgers. He did a gun recently for Vic Venters. Now, Vic did not want case colours. Robin told him he needed them Vic does not like the thick, dark colours as he thinks they hide the engraving. Robin explained he could colour it lightly and cut the colours back to allow the engraving to show through, with a skin of fine colour showing it at its best. I think Robin got it spot on - Vic agreed! Following on from this, Robin showed me a gun (a barely engraved boxlock) he was restoring. The bare action looked rather sorry for itself amid the other surfaces looking all nice and sharp. Robin very subtly put some light colours on, which were not as in your face as a lot of what you see. He was able to get the balance right. So, Eightbore, I read your 'in the white' to be a cleaned-off old action, rather than an un made-up one which you are bringing into service from new (correct me if I got this wrong). So, if you plan to colour it, I'd recommend the subtle route. Just my opinion. On the subject, I recall a lovely Woodward hammer gun in very un-messed condition which I lost a bidding contest with a UK dealer for. It made about 4,000. I saw it for sale at a Game Fair a year later, fully done-up and re-coloured. To my eyes, he had killed the gun. Asking price was 9,950. Someone bought it - maybe it was Mike Campbell! I have my way of doing things, some appreciate it, others have their own ideas.
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Refinishing a stock, restocking, re-cutting engraving and/or re-blacking barrels all to a new appearance, without re-case coloring is half-assed,IMO. To each his own.
+100 for Mike Campbell... This thread just reminds me of how much I dislike re-colour hardened guns. To each their own, I guess. I have my way of doing things, some appreciate it, others have their own ideas. On your thread #214007 Dig, you say there is room for everybody and everybody's opinions and everybody's pocket book. On this thread you keep trying to spread your opinion as something more than your opinion like a used car salesman....?..... Different strokes for different folks I would say. Sure glad you are only into British shotguns and not airplanes or collector cars, where you would be dangerous.
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Small Bore,
When you say "lightly done" how light is that? I am asking because one of the best looking SXSs I have seen was a Holland where the case hardening had faded to the point where the action was an even grey patina, no hint of blues and browns on it. It was not a dulled coin finish, that I know because some color was left under the trigger guard.
Can this grey sheen be produced on demand?
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I am not answering for Diggory, but some US gun finishers harden an action and then remove the colors entirely. Dig, what do you think of that procedure?
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A used car salesman eh? Nice Doug, thanks for that.
This forum is about sharing opinions. I'm sharing mine. If you don't agree, fine. We agree to differ. I stand by the idea that there is room for everybody's opinion and pocket book. Not colour hardening a gun won't add to the bill! As I actually said in my last post 'just my opinion'.
I have some photos of Vic's gun. I'll see if I can find them and post a thread to show it.
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