Not sure what your point is, Bill. I never said "loads don't affect recoil" I said burning rate of powder doesn't affect recoil, and I'll say it again: burning rate of powder doesn't affect recoil. Recoil is determined by the weight of the ejecta(powder, wad and shot), the velocity and the weight of the gun. Not by bore size, length of forcing cones, construction of the base wad in the shell and not by the latest line of BS in the advertisements. I shoot all sorts of guns. Mostly doubles, one single, two gas autos and one muxzzle loader. All of them have recoil pads because recoil pads reduce felt recoil. I have also never seen a true donut pattern. And I don't have any idea what the point of your post was. Assuming the same velocity, the only effect burning rate of powder has on recoil is that slow burning powder produces more of it because you need more powder to produce the same velocity(adds to the ejecta weight).
