In time they might be decent guns, but some I have seen were the worst crap I have ever seen in gundom. De Haan, I understand, had to make a lot of them right before sales. I have seen all kinds of broken parts, poor metal/poor hardening, etc. They have the same problem as the Spanish having the early imports suffering their quality on potential better quality coming later. One military guy came back with a new O/U he paid %150 for in Turkey...and he was taken. Caveat Emptor.