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Not out anything? Is your time FREE? You talk on the phone, sometimes have to go somewhere if the gun is not delivered to you. You have to open the box, inspect the paperwork, try to get in touch with the buyer, and you must log in the gun in your records. You have to insure its safety, hope there is no problem with handling, repackage and ship the thing back, if possible. Then add in the average cost for the ones that go REALLY bad like buyers who never show up, or are denied, or shippers who cannot be found.
Government paperwork must be done correctly or you are out of business.
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Well: Perhaps Pete you ought to get into another line of business. I for one wouldn't abide by the seemingly incredible problems you apparently have. I am also NOT AWARE of any dealer in Arizona having these problems. Apparently those located in Blue States have a whole host of issues that those of us in Red States are unaware of.  Jim
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Don't you need a passport to go to Californica now?
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Well: Perhaps Pete you ought to get into another line of business. I for one wouldn't abide by the seemingly incredible problems you apparently have. I am also NOT AWARE of any dealer in Arizona having these problems. Apparently those located in Blue States have a whole host of issues that those of us in Red States are unaware of. Jim Hey, it's really just this simple. Guns coming into the state have to go through an FFL who is required to have a place of business. The going rate is 90 bucks for the service. An FFL doesn't maintain his or her business to process outside internet sales for free.
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Jim
I returned a gun that was not acepted to an owner. I figured the sale had not been complete. I was wrong and the feds told me so
The gun must go back to an ffl
This gets worse when the customer can't clear. Then bfings his wife or brother in law to register the gun. I refuse tor register it. Straw buy in my opinion
Jerry
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PM, Jerry et al:
I'm sorry you guys are apparently stuck in California. I guess we live by a different set of laws here.
I just sold 16 guns out of an estate for a friend over last weekend at the Crossroads show here. All I had to do to abide by Arizona State law was to be sure the buyer was a resident of Arizona and that there was no legal reason why they couldn't buy a firearm. This was at a show that is heavily policed by the BATF.
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Each state has it's own firearms laws. In order to transfer legally in the state of California it has to go through an FFL who has a business and charges for his services. Certainly we have a number of other firearms laws and restrictions that are unique to CA and another half dozen or so pending signature by our Governor. We, law abiding gun owners and FFL's learn the processes, jump through the hoops and move on. Unfortunately the OP's nephew is stationed in CA and has to abide by state law.
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Kalif has "registration" ? wow things are worse there then I thought.
If you filled out a 4473 (and did the NICS check) then gun was transferred and must go to a FFL (01 or 03 if qualified)for interstate shipment,if not-like the one in Jims example, it can go back to owner direct per 8 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A).
"Talked to the feds" means you got an opinion,I have asked the ATF about this as well and received about a 70% correct answer-100% when I showed them the code and they were unable to find a code that says it must go through a FFL if not transferred (4473-NICS)
7. May I lawfully ship a firearm directly to an out-of-
State licensee, or must I have a licensee in
my State ship it to him? May the licensee return the firearm to me, even if the shipment is across
State lines?
Any person may ship firearms directly to a licensee in any State, with no requirement for another
licensee to ship the firearm. However, handguns are not mailable through the United States Postal
Service and must be shipped via common or contract carrier.(18 U.S.C. 1715). Firearms shipped
to FFLs for repair or any other
lawful purpose may be returned to the person from whom received
without transferring the firearm through an FFL in the recipients State of residence. FFLs may also
return a replacement firearm of the same kind and type to the person from whom received. 1
8 U.S.C.
922(a)(2)(A)
Hillary For Prison 2018
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Well: Perhaps Pete you ought to get into another line of business. I for one wouldn't abide by the seemingly incredible problems you apparently have. I am also NOT AWARE of any dealer in Arizona having these problems. Apparently those located in Blue States have a whole host of issues that those of us in Red States are unaware of. Jim  The dealers here I know don't have all those problems either and think it easy money ! The buyer is there before or right after the gun arrives ( they all track the shipment).If then gun goes back its the buyer who repacks it ( the seller has "his money" NOT the dealers) and pays the dealer one way or the other. Like I siad many here do it for free to good customers.
Hillary For Prison 2018
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Kalif has "registration" ? wow things are worse there then I thought.
If you filled out a 4473 (and did the NICS check) then gun was transferred and must go to a FFL (01 or 03 if qualified)for interstate shipment,if not-like the one in Jims example, it can go back to owner direct per 8 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A).
"Talked to the feds" means you got an opinion,I have asked the ATF about this as well and received about a 70% correct answer-100% when I showed them the code and they were unable to find a code that says it must go through a FFL if not transferred (4473-NICS)
7. May I lawfully ship a firearm directly to an out-of-
State licensee, or must I have a licensee in
my State ship it to him? May the licensee return the firearm to me, even if the shipment is across
State lines?
Any person may ship firearms directly to a licensee in any State, with no requirement for another
licensee to ship the firearm. However, handguns are not mailable through the United States Postal
Service and must be shipped via common or contract carrier.(18 U.S.C. 1715). Firearms shipped
to FFLs for repair or any other
lawful purpose may be returned to the person from whom received
without transferring the firearm through an FFL in the recipients State of residence. FFLs may also
return a replacement firearm of the same kind and type to the person from whom received. 1
8 U.S.C.
922(a)(2)(A)
State law can and does override Federal Law. It can never weaken Federal restrictions but can be more stringent. You can never go wrong with shipping to an FFL. In most instances he will know his States laws inside out. At this time CA does not have a registration of firearms.
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