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It is not a simple in state transfer and DROS. 90.00 is about the going rate. Try calling Steelwater Guns in Temecula, explain what you want to do and ask for a military discount.

I don't believe it's a matter of greed so much as a matter of liability. Here's a gun they didn't get to sell, that they are now responsible for during the California DROS period. Who in their right mind wants to sign up for the headache if the rate won't turn a couple of bucks profit.
I never begrudge the entrepreneur his profit. Just my .02.

I help out a local dealer and long time friend at his shop. He charges $50 for transfers which is about double the going rate. There are more headaches with transfers than anything else a dealer does. As stated before, you cannot return to a non-FFL. We had an Alaskan guy send us some guns, became incommunicato, and the pick-up person showed up 8 MONTHS later. Other times the pick-up person then was denied on his 4473. We are responsible for the firearms in the mean time. The small amount in these deals is nowhere near the frequent hassles but is done simply to be of service. Don't feel too bad about the dealer.
Pete

Well:
You've given me ONE MORE reason I'm glad I live in Arizona!
Jim

To the OP, perhaps a few calls to FFL in the area would yield a "professional courtesy" reduced/free transfer as your nephew is in the service on active duty.This was not uncommom when I worked for a 01 FFL.

As to returning a gun to the seller,
Although I have,thank fully, never had a firearm returned that I have sold,and I have a 03 FFL which covers most everything I am interested/collect.

If you looks at
18 U.S.C.� 922(a)(2)(A) "any other lawful purpose" I suspect as long as a transfer has not taken place it "could" be argued that the firearm can be returned-as done with a repair.Of course once a transfer as taken place (ex;gun returned during the 3 day review period after removed/transfered)4473 and NICS check completed,then it must go to a FFL if interstate

https://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

". May I lawfully ship a firearm directly to an out-of-
State licensee, or must I have a licensee in
my State ship it to him? May the licensee return the firearm to me, even if the shipment is across
State lines?
Any person may ship firearms directly to a licensee in any State, with no requirement for another
licensee to ship the firearm. However, handguns are not mailable through the United States Postal
Service and must be shipped via common or contract carrier.(18 U.S.C. �� 1715).
Firearms shipped to FFLs for repair or any other
lawful purpose may be returned to the person from whom received
without transferring the firearm through an FFL in the recipient�s State of residence. FFLs may also
return a replacement firearm of the same kind and type to the person from whom received. 1
8 U.S.C.
� 922(a)(2)(A).

Hypothetical situation:
A seller in another State ships a firearm he has sold to a buyer via his 01 FFL holder. The FFL holder notifies the buyer that the firearm has arrived. The buyer goes to the FFLs place of business ,inspects the firearm and decides he doesn't want it. No transfer has taken place and the FFL ships the firearm back to the seller. The buyer pays for the shipment plus whatever the FFL sees fit to charge him.
The receiving FFL is out nothing and it is the buyers responsibility to get his money back minus shipping expenses incurred by the seller.
Anything wrong with this scenario?
Jim

I don't begrudge any man an honest profit or compensation for his time, I just don't want him stealing from me.

People who provide a needed service for a reasonable fee also have a great opportunity to sell additional services and goods.

This is lost on some otherwise good business people. A customer who is overcharged, treated poorly, or otherwise made to feel a nuisance is a one time customer.

"That guy was really nice. He did what I needed, and look... he sells guns too.... and shells... and lots of other goodies. I'll remember him and his store for NEXT TIME."

Nope as no transfer has taken place,(no 4473 or NICS check)at least as far as I can tell in 922(a)(2)(A).
The receiving FFL can-and sometime does,make up any rules he wants.
"I don't sell to Kalif" "I don't honor a C&R"and could well state he will not return a gun to a un licensed individual,as long as that is understood BEFORE the deal is made thats fine,then the buyer/seller can decide if they want to find another FFL.

I should also add this:
I bought and operated a business and ran it until I retired. It is a video production company(still in business for 30 years now) and I operated it on the premise that it I gave customers reasonable rates, good service and went that extra step to serve them it would pay off for me in the long run.
The business grew to be 5 times larger when I sold it then it was when I acquired it. My position was to NEVER have a customer walk out the door that was unsatisfied or upset. My staff was under orders that if a customer was upset and they couldn't resolve the problem they were to get me involved.
I guess I judge other business's by the way I ran my own and there are places of business here that I went to once and will never go back again.
Sorry for the off topic post but I thought I had to explain why I'm so adamant about what I think is gouging.
If you think I'm tough with FFL holders be thankful you didn't come face to face with me recently if you're an ammunition dealer!
Jim

P.S. I just saw Dave's post below and the SGC here charges $20 to do a transfer.

The going rate here is around $25-30 for incoming transfer NICS check I think,some do it for free for good customers thou.