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Greetings, Have a few questions for the forum and again this is just focusing on Pre-WW2. - Does anyone have historical data on Krieghoff Neptun model guns? - Does Krieghoff have records from Pre WW2 that they share whom the guns were made for? - Any thoughts on whom did the engraving? Could it possibly be Schilling? - what did they cost when new? - was there a standard scope that Krieghoff used? - any idea on production numbers? Thanks!!! 
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- Does anyone have historical data on Krieghoff Neptun model guns?
Reprints of the pre-War Krieghoff catalog are available from the German Gun Collectors Association.
- Does Krieghoff have records from Pre WW2 that they share whom the guns were made for?
Highly unlikely. The Krieghoff plant in Suhl was plundered by the Russians and then demolished.
- Any thoughts on whom did the engraving? Could it possibly be Schilling?
Anonymous factory engravers, I imagine, working from standard Suhl pattern books.
- what did they cost when new?
Prices listed in the catalog.
- was there a standard scope that Krieghoff used?
Not that I know of.
- any idea on production numbers?
None.
The engraving on my post War Neptun is virtually the same as yours.
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"Patent drilling" ReichMark 335, "Trumpf" 360 ReichMark, "Tugend B" began at 245 RM with an popup sight for 15 RM,
Montage eines Zeiss-Zielfernrohres "Zielvier"(4x) - 170 RM
Montage eines "Anker" - Zielfernrohres, drei oder vierfache Vergrößerung - 95 RM
May have been other scope mounting systems or other scopes may fit the same.
Neptun started at 495 ReichsMark and may have topped out at say 700 RM. These values probably apply to the late 1920s and 1930s. I am curious what date range you are considering. I believe the values penciled in a catalogue I have are in U.S. of A.:
Neptun - 155.00
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Raimey
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I found another insert so let me add most of their listed scopes and mulit-tube sporting weapons:
Fernrohre: Wir empfehlen das best-kannte Fabrikant Zeiss, liefern jedoch auf Wunsch auch jedes andere Fabrikant
(Recommend Zeiss but we'll put anything on there - Busch, Hensoldt, Voigtländer, etc.??)
Zeiss - Zieleins 1x - 75 RM
Zeiss - Zielklein 2 1/4x - 75 RM
Zeiss - Zielvier 4x - 135 RM
Zeiss - Zielsechs 6x - 155 RM
Zeiss - Zielacht 8x - 180 RM
Fatam - 125 RM
Fata - 208 RM
- 220 RM special engraving
Geysir - 140 RM
Udones - 245 RM
- 260 RM special engraving
- 100 RM additional for ejectors
Bias - 410 RM
Tiflis - 385 RM(special engraving extra 120 RM)
Monaco - 760 RM(devoid of engraving- 600 RM)
Lotos - 405 RM
Rose - 440 RM
Narzisse - 480 RM(ejector extra 125 RM)
Viola - 1000 RM(feinster Künstlergravur extra 300 RM)
Tubus - 375 RM
Numera - 440 RM
Anson - 400 RM
Tormenta - 260 RM
Anson(DR) - 350 RM
Nörz - 450 RM
Gouverneur - 480 & 500 RM
Kosmos - 260 RM
Aster - 330 RM
Adebar - 330 RM
Tugend - 310 RM(360 RM with engraving)
Neptun - 495 RM
- 600 RM(feinster Künstlergravur)-most artistic engraving
- 150 RM ejectors for scattergun tubes
At the time an exchange rate of 4.20 RM to $1 U.S. of A. is given
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Great information...please keep it coming. I scoured the net and found some tidbits but not amounting to too much.
Raimey, the one pictured is in 16x16 x 8x57iR. A relative has it and I will have access to it soon. It has its original Zeiss Zielvier with Montage mount. I believe it's late 20s but can confirm when I have it in my hands. It also has two initials in gold on the removable trigger hence I was hoping Krieghoss has records to determine whom it was made for.
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I'd guess the ledgers are in the old Suhl jail, but that's just a guess. What specifically are you searching for besides the above? More about the modell Neptun? Does it have ejectors and what type tube steel? The original cost would be say 600 RM plus any additions so does it have a cartridge trap, horn triggerguard bow, etc.? I can list the extra cost for different tube steels if anyone fancies that.
Was it Richard or Franz Schilling you had in mind? I believe Franz Schilling was a engraving source staple for Sauer so I'd think he is out but it might be Richard Schilling. For now, my vote would be for Franz Schamberger.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Raimey,
again thanks for your input here.it does have the horn triggerguard bow and hinged cartridge trap for 4 cartridges.I'm not sure about the ejectors and I'll have to examine the piece when I see it. for the barrels, again I'll report back when I see it.
Also the costs of the tube steel would be fantastic?
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An extra charge for Böhler Antinitstahl(I assume per tube)
Double scattergun tube - 95 RM
Double scattergun Drilling tube - 150 RM
Rifled tube - 65 RM
Krupp Drei Ring, Röchling Elecktro & Böhler Spezial Stahl
Double scattergun tube - 80 RM
Double scattergun Drilling tube - 120 RM
Rifled tube - 50 RM
Extra Tubesets
Wechselläufe für Doppelflinte
1 Kugelläufe & 1 Schrotläufe - 110 RM
2 Kugelläufe - 125 RM
Stecher - 18 RM
Wechselläufe für Drillinge
2 Schrotläufe - 110 RM
2 Kugelläufe - 165 RM
Doppelbüchsdrillinglauf
2 Kugelläufe & 1 Schrotläufe - 180 RM
Monogramm on the triggerguard bow or toplever - 6 RM
Monogramm in Gold on either - 18 RM
Hornbügel - 15 RM
Hornkappe - 5 RM
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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Raimey, Thanks greatly for this data. I received the drilling today. Its has been covered with dried oil for some time and stored in a closet for many years... could use a good cleaning. Here are pics before it has been cleaned.  Evidently it does have upgraded shotgun barrels (full / modified) to Röchling which I have not heard of before. Also manufacture date of 10/29. 
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Beautiful Old German engraving, among other things.
With kind regards,
Jani
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