Originally Posted By: PA24


Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein

My opinion is I'd rather have a ho-hum dog along for a trip hunting than anything to do with an aircraft. If you got time, fly, as they say. But, that is my opinion, and if you can post some legitimate research that says I'd do better using a plane to find my birds, hey, I'll likely listen to it on a public forum without calling you names.
Have a safe flight.

Best,
Ted


Ted,

Well let's see now, you've already called me "ignorant" and "know it all" and "anti-library" simply because I prefer to hunt different than you, all based on your opinions without having any facts in hand to understand how I hunt.

You are the one that jumped on this thread blowing your horn and assuming everyone is as interested in "grouse" as you are .........(BTW--we have a lot more entertaining game birds out here than grouse).........and that anyone hunting without a dog can't be successful, citing your grouse book author and his Minnesota study as the divine word...... Is it just possible that you don't know everything Ted....?.....

I have NO desire to provide you with any research or data or any specifics about people who hunt the Wilderness BLM lands of this country....Why should I provide any information that would further encourage the destruction of the very few places that are still pristine...?...

One thing the pristine Western Wilderness areas do not need are people with dogs blowing whistles and yelling, but thanks for your opinion.

Good Luck,



I never said you couldn't be successful without a dog. That would be your own demons speaking to you, and you can leave my voice out of those that reside in your head, Thank You Very Much. I simply posted evidence from a renown researcher and his studies that documented a dog and two hunters have better success hunting ruffed grouse than just about any other combination. Although Mr Gullion documented that to be the case in a very long term study in central Minnesota, it isn't too much of a stretch to see it could very easily apply to other birds, or, areas. Success, in regards to the study, would include finding birds that had been hit, and couldn't fly, but were still very much alive.
How is your percentage on that? With your 60 seasons behind you, are you sprinting after and recovering many birds these days? I've had my dogs return with birds I never even knew I hit, and wouldn't have found, otherwise.
I guess stewardship has different meanings between people sometimes. I don't believe I've been responsible for the destruction of anything related to the outdoors, and I doubt my dogs have, either. We have recovered our own and the winged birds of others, keeping the waste factor at a minimum, over the years.

My dogs were pretty much hand signal trained, and you would likely never notice us in the west, if we were there. I'm going to hunt the West sometime, and I have an offer to go to Idaho, as we speak, actually.
But, I'm probably going to give it a decade or two before I go. Nothing like having time, eh?

Good luck out there.

Best,
Ted